10 May 12 17:19 by Seán Byrne in category
Movies
Anyone who watches DVDs and Blu-rays is well familiar with that FBI warning that cannot be skipped. If this was not annoying enough, the six major movie studios will be placing two unskippable ten second copyright warnings on all their new DVD and Blu-ray releases starting this week. For many YouTube fans, 5 seconds of unskippable ads at the start of some videos already seems like a long wait.
The first warning will show the logos for the FBI as well as ICE’s Homeland Security Investigations unit with a warning message similar to existing discs. After 10 seconds, a new notice will be displayed containing the logo for the National Intellectual Property Rights Coordination Center, featuring a rather angry looking eagle ready to claw someone and a notice saying “Piracy is not a victimless crime – For more information on how digital theft harms the economy, please visit www.iprcenter.gov”.
According to ICE, when the user presses play at the main movie menu, the movie rating will first be displayed, followed by these two 10-second warnings in succession. These warnings cannot be skipped and ICE claims these are intended to educate customers, but obviously those already pirating the films will probably never see these notices.
Screenshots of the new warnings can be seen in this Ars Technica article.
31 Comments on DVD/Blu-ray’s to show 20 seconds of unskippable warnings
All of us consumers need to add all the time together till we get about 8 hours each & then send the FBI ,ICE ,& the new one IPRCC a bill for our time.
Of course the problem with that is the first two are government agencies who would pay with tax money so it would be robbing Peter to pay Paul.
I guess the correct ones to bill would be the MPAA & IPRCC.
I know that we consumers won't be able to do that but it sure feels like it when they force us to watch warnings .
How about them doing it Mission Impossible style this message will self destruct in 5 seconds . Appearing only the first time a DVD is played . That way the warning is given & the consumer is not punished over & over.
Maybe if the US can get Obama out of office there can be some repeals of legislation he has supported.
Of course the problem with that is the first two are government agencies who would pay with tax money so it would be robbing Peter to pay Paul.
I guess the correct ones to bill would be the MPAA & IPRCC.
I know that we consumers won't be able to do that but it sure feels like it when they force us to watch warnings .
How about them doing it Mission Impossible style this message will self destruct in 5 seconds . Appearing only the first time a DVD is played . That way the warning is given & the consumer is not punished over & over.
Maybe if the US can get Obama out of office there can be some repeals of legislation he has supported.
"Anyone who has watches DVDs" ... You need to work on those proofreading skills, Seán. LOL.
Doesn't bother me since I rip my Blu-ray movies to MKV files.
So if I rip a movie I was never going to buy anyway, how is that hurting the economy?
Doesn't bother me since I rip my Blu-ray movies to MKV files.
So if I rip a movie I was never going to buy anyway, how is that hurting the economy?
Of course, we can always just rip the DVD, remove the nag screens, and burn it to a new disc. Problem solved, and the MAFIAA and their bought-and-paid-for bitches in government can kiss our asses.
@cholla: If you seriously think that a Republican administration and a Republican Congress is going to be any better, I'd like to know what you're smoking and where I can get it, because it seems to produce very high quality delusions.
@cholla: If you seriously think that a Republican administration and a Republican Congress is going to be any better, I'd like to know what you're smoking and where I can get it, because it seems to produce very high quality delusions.
@ MJPollard , Unfortunately the lesser of two evils & at least a little hope of not being so much in the pocket of the MPAA . Probably in someone elses pocket & that might be just as bad.
The Republican party is running a Republican version of Obama with Romney anyway .
Politically speaking .
Where are men like George Washington or Thomas Jefferson when we need them .
Unfortunately long dead is the answer & we're not likely to have any new one like them.
BTW ; I don't smoke anything as far as drugs are concerned but I sure smoke some good pork chops .
So to get what I'm smoking go to the meat market , Get a Brinkman double smoker , Get some hickory chunks & get to smoking.
The Republican party is running a Republican version of Obama with Romney anyway .
Politically speaking .
Where are men like George Washington or Thomas Jefferson when we need them .
Unfortunately long dead is the answer & we're not likely to have any new one like them.
BTW ; I don't smoke anything as far as drugs are concerned but I sure smoke some good pork chops .
So to get what I'm smoking go to the meat market , Get a Brinkman double smoker , Get some hickory chunks & get to smoking.
I know this is old - but still valid. That's the difference between buying an original movie or using an illegal copy
http://www.abload.de/img/piratedvdm71i.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/piratedvdm71i.jpg
There is a reason I rip and play movies off the hard drive anymore. I do movie only backups and am never troubled by these inane warnings.
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Originally Posted by Kerry56
There is a reason I rip and play movies off the hard drive anymore. I do movie only backups and am never troubled by these inane warnings.
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You will have to fast forward through them . Unless you edit them out with an editing software.
If I understand "movie only" won't remove them. They are "embedded" .
Lots of free MKV / VOB editors out there, and no need to recompress. It's a non-issue, really. There is nothing they can break/add that can't be fixed/removed. God, I love the 21st century. Now, if we can just get a 60" OLED television for under $1,000...
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Originally Posted by MJPollard
Of course, we can always just rip the DVD, remove the nag screens, and burn it to a new disc. .
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...I know that's what I'll do if they pull that stunt here (UK).LOL@Liggy
What a great way to punish customers who are actually buying.
What an even greater way to "educate" people on something they've already heard, yet could give less than a damn about.
What an even greater way to "educate" people on something they've already heard, yet could give less than a damn about.
Most young people are going to see this as a commercial for the RIAA & MPAA... and promote piracy even more..
That's just crazy.
How to alienate your customers in one easy step.
Wombler
How to alienate your customers in one easy step.
Wombler
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Originally Posted by cholla
With this they will be there even on your hard drive rip.
You will have to fast forward through them . Unless you edit them out with an editing software. If I understand "movie only" won't remove them. They are "embedded" . |
Blu ray is another kettle of fish though. With three different video codecs to worry with, and a much broader selection of audio, I would need something beyond my normal tools.
Original Blu-rays = Endless warnings, trailers, DRMs, and I'm paying to see the Disk only in Windows PCs, (Oh, and I have to buy the software player to decrypt the disk) or in Blu-Ray players.
Piracy= See it where you want (Linux PCs, tablets, mobile phones,etc) without any kind of Nags.
And come on, I bought a DVD and I have to be remindered that piracy is a crime? I Bought it to see it not to pirate. If I wanted to pirate it, I download it, instead for paying for it.
Just like DRMS on Pc Games you have less problems running a pirated game than a original one.
It's hard to be a honest guy.
Piracy= See it where you want (Linux PCs, tablets, mobile phones,etc) without any kind of Nags.
And come on, I bought a DVD and I have to be remindered that piracy is a crime? I Bought it to see it not to pirate. If I wanted to pirate it, I download it, instead for paying for it.
Just like DRMS on Pc Games you have less problems running a pirated game than a original one.
It's hard to be a honest guy.
This is the reason why i hate original Disney DVD/Blu-Ray discs. They come with even more unskippable commercials. For the love of everything: If the device can remember where i was in the movie, it sure can remember that i have seen all those commercials and skip them in the future.
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Originally Posted by tmc8080
Most young people are going to see this as a commercial for the RIAA & MPAA... and promote piracy even more..
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Originally Posted by darkalien74
Original Blu-rays = Endless warnings, trailers, DRMs, and I'm paying to see the Disk only in Windows PCs, (Oh, and I have to buy the software player to decrypt the disk) or in Blu-Ray players.
Piracy= See it where you want (Linux PCs, tablets, mobile phones,etc) without any kind of Nags. And come on, I bought a DVD and I have to be remindered that piracy is a crime? I Bought it to see it not to pirate. If I wanted to pirate it, I download it, instead for paying for it. Just like DRMS on Pc Games you have less problems running a pirated game than a original one. It's hard to be a honest guy. |
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Originally Posted by Liggy
I know this is old - but still valid. That's the difference between buying an original movie or using an illegal copy
http://www.abload.de/img/piratedvdm71i.jpg |
This is why I backup the dvd and play the backup and just jump to movie menu and forget all that trash....You better patent it Liggy or someone might claim you stole it lmao.....maybe the MPAA/RIAA might said you stole their idea.... lol 
Back in the days of VHS rentals I had a reel of anti-TV ads from AdBusters and I would surreptitiously add one or two to the end of the tape before returning it to the vid store...At least people weren't forced to watch them.
Ugh.
Why are they doing this? They're punishing the wrong people. Let's tell all the paying customers not to pirate with another annoying 20 seconds of warnings!
The pirates already take out the fbi warnings. They won't have any problem disabling these warnings. Pirates will never see these adds.
Are there any bluray plays that don't adhere to the unskippable rules? I had a cheap dvd player from walmart that I bought so I could use a code to make it region free. The same player seemed to override unskipple warnings. It's just a flag on the dvd which means do no skip. The software can ignore it.
Maybe I need to find a region free capable bluray player that will ignore the do no skip flags on the tracks?
Why are they doing this? They're punishing the wrong people. Let's tell all the paying customers not to pirate with another annoying 20 seconds of warnings!
The pirates already take out the fbi warnings. They won't have any problem disabling these warnings. Pirates will never see these adds.
Are there any bluray plays that don't adhere to the unskippable rules? I had a cheap dvd player from walmart that I bought so I could use a code to make it region free. The same player seemed to override unskipple warnings. It's just a flag on the dvd which means do no skip. The software can ignore it.
Maybe I need to find a region free capable bluray player that will ignore the do no skip flags on the tracks?
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Originally Posted by coolcolors
You better patent it Liggy or someone might claim you stole it lmao.....
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I don't mind if the DVD directly jumps to a menu and with one button click I can directly start watching the film. I also don't mind if I am given the option to chose from trailers, bonus material, language options or whatever but these nagging forced things are really p***ing me off
I wonder if there is a remote control that could be programmed to take care of this or at least someone invent one. All the programme would need to do is:
This way the user can insert the disc, run this special program, head off for 15 minutes to have their dinner or do something useful, then come back. If the movie has already started where it was paused, then it's just a matter of rewinding back until the initial credits. The catch is that a few movies don't have the "Play movie" selected by default when the menu appears, but should work for the majority.
I wouldn't be surprised if a gadget remote that does nothing but this automated sequence, which works with all the leading Blu-ray players would be a hot seller.
- Send the "play" key
- Wait 10 minutes
- Send the "enter" key
- Wait 3 minutes
- Send the "Pause" key
This way the user can insert the disc, run this special program, head off for 15 minutes to have their dinner or do something useful, then come back. If the movie has already started where it was paused, then it's just a matter of rewinding back until the initial credits. The catch is that a few movies don't have the "Play movie" selected by default when the menu appears, but should work for the majority.
I wouldn't be surprised if a gadget remote that does nothing but this automated sequence, which works with all the leading Blu-ray players would be a hot seller.
Well I currently use software from a unnamed company right now that just defeats the junk before getting to the movie menu when I backup the movie and then I can enjoy the move and not have to pull my hair out waiting to just watch the movie or throw the kitchen sink at the DVD/BD player.
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Originally Posted by Liggy
Actually it is not mine, I just put it here.
I don't mind if the DVD directly jumps to a menu and with one button click I can directly start watching the film. I also don't mind if I am given the option to chose from trailers, bonus material, language options or whatever but these nagging forced things are really p***ing me off |
I know but I like the diagrams it very visual and most if not many people will agree that all that effort just give more power to the pirate and make people themselves become pirates. They the Studio and GREEDY CEO do themselves no service doing what they do. I do hope EFF pickups this diagram you showed and uses this in their campaign against the MPAA/RIAA/DODD lobbyists and corruption of the movie industry.
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Originally Posted by Seán
I wonder if there is a remote control that could be programmed to take care of this or at least someone invent one. All the programme would need to do is:
This way the user can insert the disc, run this special program, head off for 15 minutes to have their dinner or do something useful, then come back. If the movie has already started where it was paused, then it's just a matter of rewinding back until the initial credits. The catch is that a few movies don't have the "Play movie" selected by default when the menu appears, but should work for the majority. I wouldn't be surprised if a gadget remote that does nothing but this automated sequence, which works with all the leading Blu-ray players would be a hot seller. |
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What I'd like to know is, what the hell does this have to do with Homeland Security?
That said, I think the warnings are intended for people who buy movies and make copies to give to their friends, or make copies of rented movies for their own collection. It's to persuade people not to do those things. Whether it's effective or not, it probably will be for the average person, but it really has nothing to do with on-line piracy.
And THAT said, I almost never buy movies because I rarely watch a move more than once. I rent Blu-rays for $1.60 at Red Box, and also get at least one free-rental code every month. So that's pretty cheap entertainment. Every movie I've rented, I put the disk in and go get popcorn and other goodies for the movie ready, and when I come back, the movie is sitting there at the menu waiting for me to select play. So if they move the warning to come after the movie menu, is 20 seconds really all that terrible? It's 20 seconds! Talk to the people you're watching the movie with while they're on, and then enjoy the movie. People get so uptight about such a non-issue.
That said, I think the warnings are intended for people who buy movies and make copies to give to their friends, or make copies of rented movies for their own collection. It's to persuade people not to do those things. Whether it's effective or not, it probably will be for the average person, but it really has nothing to do with on-line piracy.
And THAT said, I almost never buy movies because I rarely watch a move more than once. I rent Blu-rays for $1.60 at Red Box, and also get at least one free-rental code every month. So that's pretty cheap entertainment. Every movie I've rented, I put the disk in and go get popcorn and other goodies for the movie ready, and when I come back, the movie is sitting there at the menu waiting for me to select play. So if they move the warning to come after the movie menu, is 20 seconds really all that terrible? It's 20 seconds! Talk to the people you're watching the movie with while they're on, and then enjoy the movie. People get so uptight about such a non-issue.
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Originally Posted by BradWright
What I'd like to know is, what the hell does this have to do with Homeland Security?
That said, I think the warnings are intended for people who buy movies and make copies to give to their friends, or make copies of rented movies for their own collection. It's to persuade people not to do those things. Whether it's effective or not, it probably will be for the average person, but it really has nothing to do with on-line piracy. |
Unfortunately they seem to think so....regardless of the Facts that show otherwise....
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Originally Posted by BradWright
And THAT said, I almost never buy movies because I rarely watch a move more than once. I rent Blu-rays for $1.60 at Red Box, and also get at least one free-rental code every month. So that's pretty cheap entertainment. Every movie I've rented, I put the disk in and go get popcorn and other goodies for the movie ready, and when I come back, the movie is sitting there at the menu waiting for me to select play. So if they move the warning to come after the movie menu, is 20 seconds really all that terrible? It's 20 seconds! Talk to the people you're watching the movie with while they're on, and then enjoy the movie. People get so uptight about such a non-issue.
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Remote control macros are programmed to pause upto a minute.. not 3, or 10 minutes AFAIK. BTW, I'm still partial to XVID avi files which are htdv ripped to save space on the hard drive more than anything else (only have a 1tb installed).
Does everyone prefer 720p hdtv h264 and/or mkv files over xvid?
I haven't made the transition b/c some encodes won't play well on my archos tablet (too high a bitrate or some other reason, probably ac3 codec req too).
When hard drive prices come down again maybe I'll spurge for a bigger drive (3-4tb..) around when win8 makes it's rounds & been fully vetted. Afterall,movie theaters, music cds, dvds, blu rays and subscription cable-tv ain't got nothing on 20+mbit internet connection, and a 4tb hard drive !!!
Back in the day of vhs, these copyright FBI warnings were a time to ROFL (roll on the floor laughing) because there really was NO copy protection in the early 80s for vhs tapes and a 1:1 SP recording was just about as good as the original.
Today, unless someone wanted to lampoon/spoof the original for public display on youtube or somewhere else, noone will actually go through the trouble of seeing this nonsense.
Does everyone prefer 720p hdtv h264 and/or mkv files over xvid?
I haven't made the transition b/c some encodes won't play well on my archos tablet (too high a bitrate or some other reason, probably ac3 codec req too).
When hard drive prices come down again maybe I'll spurge for a bigger drive (3-4tb..) around when win8 makes it's rounds & been fully vetted. Afterall,movie theaters, music cds, dvds, blu rays and subscription cable-tv ain't got nothing on 20+mbit internet connection, and a 4tb hard drive !!!
Back in the day of vhs, these copyright FBI warnings were a time to ROFL (roll on the floor laughing) because there really was NO copy protection in the early 80s for vhs tapes and a 1:1 SP recording was just about as good as the original.
Today, unless someone wanted to lampoon/spoof the original for public display on youtube or somewhere else, noone will actually go through the trouble of seeing this nonsense.
YAY!!!!!! so buying original shit gets you bombarded with more shit!!!!! my next movies will not feature any of this garbage, i will make it a contractual obligation with the studio
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Originally Posted by tmc8080
Remote control macros are programmed to pause upto a minute.. not 3, or 10 minutes AFAIK. BTW, I'm still partial to XVID avi files which are htdv ripped to save space on the hard drive more than anything else (only have a 1tb installed).
Does everyone prefer 720p hdtv h264 and/or mkv files over xvid? I haven't made the transition b/c some encodes won't play well on my archos tablet (too high a bitrate or some other reason, probably ac3 codec req too). When hard drive prices come down again maybe I'll spurge for a bigger drive (3-4tb..) around when win8 makes it's rounds & been fully vetted. Afterall,movie theaters, music cds, dvds, blu rays and subscription cable-tv ain't got nothing on 20+mbit internet connection, and a 4tb hard drive !!! Back in the day of vhs, these copyright FBI warnings were a time to ROFL (roll on the floor laughing) because there really was NO copy protection in the early 80s for vhs tapes and a 1:1 SP recording was just about as good as the original. Today, unless someone wanted to lampoon/spoof the original for public display on youtube or somewhere else, noone will actually go through the trouble of seeing this nonsense. |
Windows 7 can handle 3-4Tb drives right now. You just have to format the right way if it isn't already formatted correctly.
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Originally Posted by chickenlittle
YAY!!!!!! so buying original shit gets you bombarded with more shit!!!!! my next movies will not feature any of this garbage, i will make it a contractual obligation with the studio
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