HD-DVD camp: Fox can add proprietary DRM to Blu-ray discs

15 Jan 06 15:07 by Crabbyappleton in category Uncategorized To news archive

This is a most interesting interview that was held by BetaNews with a representative from the HD-DVD camp. A troubling aspect for the future of both the new High Def formats is they are both hinging the success or adoption of their formats on Hollywood content. This, like many things, is a two way street. After all, what good is high definition and players, if their is nothing to watch? On the other hand, we as consumers, will be holding in our hot little hands, veritable digital masters of multi million dollar projects. For that reason, the studios are apprehensive to say the least to start passing these things out with the Internet throbbing in the background and PC enthusiasts sitting with dual core CPU desktops with near terabyte storage systems at the ready. At issue as well is, there are differences of opinion on just how much freedom Joe Blow the consumer should be allowed with said content.

For a while, there was a bit of wrangling going on with one aspect of the AACS or Advanced Access Content System. This is known as Mandatory Managed Copy. The purpose of this in very simple terms was to make it possible to use these discs in a variety of ways other than just play them on a television from a high definition player. For instance, one should be able to stream the content over a home network, or even play it on a PC. Both camps finally were able to promise the inclusion of Mandatory Managed Copy. However, due to the many agreements that had to be struck with Hollywood, things may not be as rosy as it would seem at first glance.

On January 7th, BetaNews sat down with HD DVD representative “expert” Mark Knox, to discuss how the Microsoft-backed format will compete with Sony’s Blu-ray. Knox of course, is not going to be very positive about the rival camp Blu-ray. In fact, in this snippet from the interview, he lets it slip that Blu-rays flavor of Mandatory Managed Copy may have some nasty tricks up it’s sleeve, tricks that could confuse most consumers or at least they may get an unpleasant surprise, if they purchase any Blu-ray discs containing content from Fox Studios:

Another problem plaguing Blu-ray development is a requirement placed on the organization when it signed a deal with Fox Studios. Fox had demanded that high-definition DVDs utilize a stricter copy-protection format than AACS, which is employed by both Blu-ray and HD DVD. While HD DVD rejected the demand, Blu-ray conceded.

Knox said Fox was unhappy with the decision to let consumers watch movies where they please using Mandatory Managed Copy. Managed Copy has become a contentious point in the next-generation DVD battle, with HP demanding that Blu-ray require the technology on all discs. However, as Fox’s proprietary DRM will run after AACS, the studio could theoretically restrict such portability.

This proprietary format is also rumored to have delayed the PlayStation 3, which will include a Blu-ray drive for the masses. Pioneer is set to launch a $1,800 Blu-ray player in May.

Nothing like a little proprietary DRM icing on an already unpalatable cake, yummy! You should take a moment to go over to the BetaNews site and read this interview in it’s entirety. They also go into a lengthy explanation of how they feel the Blu-ray strategy is a failure from the get-go due to technical issues. I am sure that those CD Freaks out there that are very knowledgeable in writing strategies, will be very interested in Mr. Knox’s negative comments on Blu-rays writing scheme! In addition, you can also read an interview with the Blu-ray camp, dated January 6, in an article entitled “What format war?” that may be of interest as well!

Source: Beta News

16 Comments

bkf
Posts: 1685
Posted on: 15 Jan 06 15:40
One would have to be a complete fool to buy into either of these formats. But it's your money. Have fun. Ill wait till it's hacked / cracked then re consider. As far as the P2P aspect have you ever seen the size of a HD movie. Your going to need weeks.
crustyteacup
Posts: 370
Posted on: 15 Jan 06 17:54
well divx have already said they can offer hd movies that fit onto a single dvd by using there codec. so pirates could still download hd films provided the copy protections were cracked.
Discman
Posts: 155
Posted on: 15 Jan 06 18:25
Yeah, some movies are going to be using the VC1 or the H264 codec. Even movies that use MPEG 2 are likely to use be recompressed to the other codecs. However, lets not forget HD video takes ALOT longer to recode!
CPUSlayer
Posts: 111
Posted on: 15 Jan 06 20:53
Because of all the battle for formats, protections, and non consumer friendly discs,.. I hope both HD Dvd and Blue-Ray fail due to the greed of Movie/Recording industry. Us the consumers hold the keys if it succeeds or flops. And from what I see from the anti consumer friendly Discs that are going to be released, I wont be buying and I hope others see the disavantage of it also. Although the advantages out weigh the negatives. Perhaps if these formats fail, maybe the Movie/Recording industry wont be so harsh with the holographic disc format knowing that consumers wont tollerate BS restrictions with disc formats. Hope that makes sense.
heystoopid
Posts: 307
Posted on: 16 Jan 06 04:49
Hmm, choices, a system laced with enough DRM to kill any computer in sight! Don't you love all those private personal computers, committing suicide when playing these new corrupt video formats. Oh well, back to the drawing board! P.S. I hear Pioneer have now drafted plans, to create a computer Blu-ray unit, that is fully capable of playing standard CD roms, as nobody wanted to buy the plain first issue unit, due to it's lack of versatility and usefulness!(it seems users indicated, the first one to be as versatile as driving a car without any brakes)
willb3d
Posts: 78
Posted on: 16 Jan 06 07:19
How many people really have their video player in one room but have their monitor in another room? A lot of concern over nothing.
bkf
Posts: 1685
Posted on: 16 Jan 06 13:05
Willb: That is not the main concern. Wouldn't you feel bad if you owned a computer that could only be controlled by someone else? The next step is to convince people that if they shut off the music implants in their heads for a while they actually won't die but the formats might.
C4st13v4n14!
Posts: 43
Posted on: 16 Jan 06 23:56
Paradigm shifts are the reason why I don't buy films anymore. Just when you're getting that DVD collection together, a new format comes along and ruins your plans. I hope Belarussians will start selling blue-ray discs full of 30 or so divx/xvid films on ebay and muck the situation up some more... :g
guest
Posts: 15284
Posted on: 12 Dec 07 21:12
Lets see: 1.AACS-can disable your player 2.BD+ Creates a virtual machine and can stop playback or disable your player if it does'nt like the playback environment 3.Rom mark-Player sees that disc is a pressed disc and checks for the mark. Not there? No playback 4.HDCP-Not on the disc but is in the hardware/firmware after content leaves the disc. Actually the absolute worst copy protection for the consumer. Renders all old dvi connection monitors useless and can also disable your hi-def tvs HDMI input. 5. Image Constraint Token-To punish you with standard def for using component 6. Digital Output Only Token- Disables all analog output 7. CGMS 8. Macrovision- Who cares about 7 and 8? You would lose too much quality at this level 9. Verance audio watermark- May have something to do with cammed movies but can be used to check if recordable disc has no aacs but knows the watermark was passsed onto a recordable disc treat it as a pirate disc and stop playing
guest
Posts: 15284
Posted on: 20 Dec 07 14:45
There was another thing I forgot to mention. I got a call earlier this week from a customer calling tech support who may have gotton his tv blacklisted. He was hooked to hdmi from a cable box and the box apparently updated the hdcp security code with a System Renewability Message. He got a messabe on the tv screen HDCP system compromised please use the yr pr cr connections. No way is this gonna fly. Get me my lawyers!!!
guest
Posts: 15284
Posted on: 20 Dec 07 14:47
Just have them take this tv back. It's time people don't have to put up with this crap.
guest
Posts: 15284
Posted on: 05 Jan 08 14:45
YARRRRRGGHHH!!! I got another call from a customer that got all THREE of his hi def tvs blacklisted from his hi def cable box with this hdcp copy protection. It looks like they are still letting the signal through in this case, but limiting it to only 480P resolution. Told him to take 'em tvs back(to Best Buy) and let them know WHY the tvs are going back. Its happening already. Hollywood is disabling tvs in a moment of idiodacy. My co worker got two such calls about 2 hours apart. This is starting to get old
guest
Posts: 15284
Posted on: 05 Jan 08 22:29
What are people supposed to do? Buy a new tv?
guest
Posts: 15284
Posted on: 05 Jan 08 22:35
I must add don't forget about the additional problems like mechanical breakdown. These dang lcd tvs don't seem to be built to last. Less than 1 year later, youre stuck with a thin line thru the screen or a split screen or no power. The service shops can't work on some of those problems. Now add artificial breakdown imposed by HDCP. The numbers for failures are HUGE
guest
Posts: 15284
Posted on: 16 May 08 09:56
Best idea is to go back to the roots. i may suggest theatre. :B :B :B
guest
Posts: 15284
Posted on: 16 May 08 10:00
Why do you need to watch movies that desperately? Why do we need technology after all, accept for getting things done fast. Why do you use computers when u can use calculators? or can do things manually? Oh ya, we are habituated to leave on coke, burgers and technology :B :B :B :B

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