Even though the struggling global economy has taken its toll on entertainment spending, the video game industry has seen solid console and game sales over the past year.
Research group NPD indicates both the Microsoft Xbox 360 and Nintendo Wii had year-over-year sale increases, while the Sony PlayStation 3 sales figures dropped from 269,000 down to 203,200.
PS3 supporters have long said the PS3’s superior hardware power will help generate sales later down the road, but Sony has had a very difficult time selling its next-generation console to gamers.
Microsoft saw its sales figures increase from 230,000 up to 309,000, while Nintendo had a massive gain from 274,000 up to 676,000. Although the Wii continues to rack up impressive sales numbers, most game publishers are releasing titles aimed at the "core" gamers on the Xbox 360, which has drastically helped sales numbers.
Analysts predict 2009 will be similar to 2008, and the Wii will continue to sell good numbers as they’ve apparently fixed their supply issues.
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Sony thinks their shit doesn't stink, but they're wrong and people are starting to wise up to the fact that Sony should be run out of town for selling overpriced junk. Sony doesn't listen to what the consumer wants, they try to sell you what they think you need.
They need to lower the price for the ps3.
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- Posted on: 16 Feb 09 06:12
ahh ok lets see. Xbox in 3 years sold a 28 million systems, that's 9.3 million a year. Sony on the other hand sold 20 million units in 2 years that's 10 million a year. So who is really doing better in sales? Of course Xbox will have more sales, it was out a full year before PS3 and Wii, so it had no competition for a whole 12 months. wise up my friend.
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- Posted on: 16 Feb 09 06:16
ohh and lets not forget that unlike M$, Sony is actually making a profit on the PS3. The Playstation division of Sony Held a $4 million profit, despite a nine percent decline in sales for January.
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- Posted on: 16 Feb 09 07:26
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/sony_releases_new_stupid_piece_of?utm_source=EMTF_Onion
And for those who haven't seen it heres a link to Sony's next piece of product ..
And for those who haven't seen it heres a link to Sony's next piece of product ..
They need to drop the RRP. Plain and simple nothing more.
@God This is not true, I wish it were, but it's the other way around.
@God This is not true, I wish it were, but it's the other way around.
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- Posted on: 16 Feb 09 12:42
I, personally purchased ps3 to use it for storing & playing my divx movies and mp3 files but as it lacks displaying subtitles I am not satisfied at all. It also lacks playing formats like mkv files. Sony thinks that these are not so important factors but they ARE for many customers like me. Hope they think once more again while planning new updates.
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- Posted on: 16 Feb 09 14:21
Ok you may be right. But let’s look at what really matters to the bottom line my friend where the real money is made games and accessories that’s where the money is really made that’s why Sony and MS are willing to sell the consoles at a loss sometimes HUGE a loss bc they more then make up for it in games and accessories and there the Xbox kicks Sony’s and Nintendo’s collective asses the attach rate is huge I think 7. But looking at the numbers again it’s telling a year older console is getting better selling more so your logic does not hold water if what you were saying was correct then PS3 should be selling more not less gaining ground not losing it.
Umm...not sure where you get your facts...but Sony is LOSING money on the PS3. They are losing roughly around $50 per console now. When it first came out, they were losing around $200 per console. Micrsoft has been making a profit on the 360 for some time now. I think roughly a year or so after it came out, they started to make a profit.
Possibly the removal of backward compatibility? It has kept me away. Also a poor selection of great games. My Xbox up converts my DVDs to excellent quality on my 32" LCD. Not a big enough difference when I play blu-ray through my laptop to justify getting a PS3 for blu-ray play back.
Sony has a long way to go considering it started $3 billion in the hole. So I wouldn't be talking about profits just yet. Also, the sales comparison is year to year not over a certain time span.
LOL, I never laughed so hard. That was funny and true almost.
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- Posted on: 16 Feb 09 19:21
What i can say, X-Box 360 have much "Free" game
instead the PS3 have a full price, 79€ for Tomb Raider Underground is a very expensive, on the 360
a simple BitTorrent resolve the problem.
instead the PS3 have a full price, 79€ for Tomb Raider Underground is a very expensive, on the 360
a simple BitTorrent resolve the problem.
Thanks for letting everyone know you rather pirate than pay for anything.
I've neer denied it and I never will (Except if the come knocking). Saves me cash for hardware instead. Morals? Ask a politician or corporate schill about those. 
can I just point out here that MS is also losing money on their consoles due to the RRoD? that cost them an absolute bomb. so who is really losing money here? MS lost out to the tune of $1.15 billion in warranties!
Steveo- maybe MS lost some money on the Xbox warranty, I don't know- but they made like 16 Billion overall as a company in the last quarter. I think Sony lost about 1 or 2 Billion. This is the difference. You don't buy the POS3 for games- there aren't that many and the load times are ridiculous for the ones they have. You buy an Xbox for games or even a Wii. The reason the sales are dropping is you can get a better price now on a Bluray player and don't need to buy a PS3. For a while, there was a niche market of enthusiasts that could not wait to jump on the HD bandwagon but were afraid of future lack of compatibility with BR movies, so they paid for the PS3. them days are over.
I guess this is why Sony is having to drop their "gaming platform" to $299 in April and also why they are creating these goofy "hybrid discs" to help *possibly* sell more PS3's for using as a movie/game machine....good luck! Even they know as a gaming platform the PS3 is doomed. Only BR playback is keeping it halfway alive and BR acceptance is going slower than a turtle with a broken leg. If it had not been for The Dark Knight- it would have even been a hellava lot worse.
I guess this is why Sony is having to drop their "gaming platform" to $299 in April and also why they are creating these goofy "hybrid discs" to help *possibly* sell more PS3's for using as a movie/game machine....good luck! Even they know as a gaming platform the PS3 is doomed. Only BR playback is keeping it halfway alive and BR acceptance is going slower than a turtle with a broken leg. If it had not been for The Dark Knight- it would have even been a hellava lot worse.
the above is absolute nonsense. the ps3 have sorted the load times crabby, the majority of games are multiformat, and the sales are on par for the age of both consoles!
as for your comments for cheaper bluray players, none of them have the ability of updating firmware, so wheres your reasoning?
I'm slightly disappointed with your comments really crabby, because you know my above comments are right, and you've just dribbled poison as a response. actually thought you were a voice of reason......obviously not the case!
as for your comments for cheaper bluray players, none of them have the ability of updating firmware, so wheres your reasoning?
I'm slightly disappointed with your comments really crabby, because you know my above comments are right, and you've just dribbled poison as a response. actually thought you were a voice of reason......obviously not the case!
I personally don't like Sony. That being said, I think some of your points for argument are wrong. The PS3 is the BEST blu-ray player out there. Some of my friends have non-PS3 blu-ray players, and it takes their players like 10 minutes to load movies and start playing them. The PS3 plays movies almost instantly.
I do agree with you that the PS3 is lacking in the gaming department. Not to mention, the much hyped Killzone 2 is not looking to good right now. I also agree that Blu-ray is probably what is keeping it alive. It's funny how the Blu-ray debacle is screwing Sony. In the beginning, it helped them win the format war against HD DVD. Now, it is looking like it is the only thing keeping the PS3 alive. If HD DVD would have won, the PS3 would surely have been gone by now.
I do agree with you that the PS3 is lacking in the gaming department. Not to mention, the much hyped Killzone 2 is not looking to good right now. I also agree that Blu-ray is probably what is keeping it alive. It's funny how the Blu-ray debacle is screwing Sony. In the beginning, it helped them win the format war against HD DVD. Now, it is looking like it is the only thing keeping the PS3 alive. If HD DVD would have won, the PS3 would surely have been gone by now.
You both are basically saying as I said, that a good portion of sales of the PS3 were/are directly due to the fact that it is a futureproof BR player. When I said load times- I was referring to the gamng aspect, as a friend of mine has bothe the Xbox and the PS3 and he does not use the PS3 as it loads games too slowly. I just think that that "advantage" is wearing thin now due to the cost of BR players and the capabilities they come with.
As far as good games for the PS3, maybe you are right about that, but then we cannot explain why the PS3 is getting its ass kicked by by the the Xbox and the Wii. You would think *logically* that if all the "good games" are multi-platform and the load times were sorted out and the communities were the same, that the PS3 would be the clear sales leader, as it can also play HD BR movies...and it is not!
Can you guys explain this to me? I don't get it. If you RTFA- it states quite plainly that the Wii and the Xbox are showing an INCREASE in sales year to year, whilst the PS3 is showing a DECREASE. I am just stating comments about what I read and trying to understand why. Please tell me why the PS3 with all it's superiority and issues resolved, would see a drop in sales?
As far as good games for the PS3, maybe you are right about that, but then we cannot explain why the PS3 is getting its ass kicked by by the the Xbox and the Wii. You would think *logically* that if all the "good games" are multi-platform and the load times were sorted out and the communities were the same, that the PS3 would be the clear sales leader, as it can also play HD BR movies...and it is not!
Can you guys explain this to me? I don't get it. If you RTFA- it states quite plainly that the Wii and the Xbox are showing an INCREASE in sales year to year, whilst the PS3 is showing a DECREASE. I am just stating comments about what I read and trying to understand why. Please tell me why the PS3 with all it's superiority and issues resolved, would see a drop in sales?
0.3 percent drop, thats not a massive drop is it? bear in mind that the ps3 is fighting a console that is £130(don't know what $ equiv) for its bottom of the line model. figure it out!
I can't it's too hard!!! I'll just wait until we go on the Amero and then it will be easier to figure out. 0.3 percent? In the US here is what NPD had to say: "According to new figures by research group NPD, Sony's PlayStation 3 has seen a year-on-year decline in sales of 24.5 percent in January." - but the other consoles are gaining. So it makes it worse. As I say - Sony knows the story of what is going on- so they know they have to drop the PS3 down to <300 bucks to stay alive and in doing so- they will hemmorage more money in losses. Good. They are actually competing against stand alone BR players as well as two other consoles that are more popular. Adding the BR drive to the PS3 has been a 2 edged sword for Sony. As BR standalones drop in price- so will PS3 sales and then they have to drop the price of the PS3 to keep luring folks that want "the best Blu Ray player".
2008 was X360 blockbuster games year, 2009 will be PS3 with FFXIII, GoW III, possibly GT5? and plenty others.
Actually FFXIII, GoW III & GT5 on their own justify buying the PS3 as a gaming platform.
You really, really shouldn't understimate the PS2 playerbase waiting on those exact three games to make the shift towards PS3. Maybe you find it sad, but that's reality
Actually FFXIII, GoW III & GT5 on their own justify buying the PS3 as a gaming platform.
You really, really shouldn't understimate the PS2 playerbase waiting on those exact three games to make the shift towards PS3. Maybe you find it sad, but that's reality
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- Posted on: 17 Feb 09 01:24
They didn't remove backwards compatibility, at first they had an emulator chip yeah that was a shame, but not even a year later they replaced that chip with the actual ps2 chip and now all games can play on ps3.
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- Posted on: 17 Feb 09 02:54
Man....I am just so tired of the MS and Xbox supporters out there. You'd think the 360 was the second coming of Jesus or something. I personally own BOTH the 360 and PS3, and I prefer the PS3. The console is just better, it can do blu-ray, play high quality games, has a better interface, and a better controller, and the system is fucking quiet. The Xbox 360 is just retarded with its lame menu, and ugly ass avatar system....maybe 14 year old teen girls would like it....but not me. Sony will never give up on the PS3....never....unlike MS which gave up on the disaster the original Xbox was...they closed the book that as soon as the 360 shipped. I don't care what sales figures show, the PS3 is a fine system and this year there are some good games coming...refreshing games...Heavy Rain, God of War 3, Gran Turisimo 5, the next Final Fantasy, Killzone 2, etc......With the Xbox we get a new Halo.....and probably some news on another Gears of War next year........Face it, Microsoft got lucky by launching first, they had a year to sort out the mess, and never looked back. They got lucky, just like Sega did with the Genesis. Most of the time....by launching first....you lose......(Saturn, and Dreamcast come to mind)
@Crabby, I am agreeing with you that the PS3 is hurting Sony. In my upper post, I was just pointing out that if you are going to be getting a Blu-ray player, you're better just getting a PS3 as the fact that stand-alone players are crap.
@Duchednier: PS2 B/C is GONE in all new PS3s. It only exists in the original 60/20 GB models w/ the Emo Chip for PS2 Support. It was in the original 80GB w/ Software emulation. Starting with the 40GB and with all NEW 80GB, it is 100% GONE
@Ramza (Actually FFXIII, GoW III & GT5 on their own justify buying the PS3 as a gaming platform.): FFXIII is coming to Xbox, GoW III and GT5 look to be good games, although who knows when GT5 is coming out.
@The Ice: First off, stop turning this into a console flame war. Talking about menu systems being bad is based on individual preferences. I personally think the PS3 menu sucks because all you get is a big list of text options under each menu type. (How awesome is that....) Also, with your list of games mentioned, the one game I was most looking forward to would be Killzone 2. Now, though, after hearing about it, it looks like it is just going to be an OK game. Nothing fantastic, which in my mind, means it won't live up to the hype. Which, sucks, because I was really hoping for this to be a great game.
@Duchednier: PS2 B/C is GONE in all new PS3s. It only exists in the original 60/20 GB models w/ the Emo Chip for PS2 Support. It was in the original 80GB w/ Software emulation. Starting with the 40GB and with all NEW 80GB, it is 100% GONE
@Ramza (Actually FFXIII, GoW III & GT5 on their own justify buying the PS3 as a gaming platform.): FFXIII is coming to Xbox, GoW III and GT5 look to be good games, although who knows when GT5 is coming out.
@The Ice: First off, stop turning this into a console flame war. Talking about menu systems being bad is based on individual preferences. I personally think the PS3 menu sucks because all you get is a big list of text options under each menu type. (How awesome is that....) Also, with your list of games mentioned, the one game I was most looking forward to would be Killzone 2. Now, though, after hearing about it, it looks like it is just going to be an OK game. Nothing fantastic, which in my mind, means it won't live up to the hype. Which, sucks, because I was really hoping for this to be a great game.
Vikampion- I also agree with you that the PS3 is the best BR player out there. IF they drop to $299 in April and IF they don't make any changes to the PS3 hardware because of that, then it will really be the best BR player. I think they will sell many units, just for their capability of playing back movies and the future proofing of the unit via firmware updates.
er....it was actually crabby who kind of turned this debate to a flame war!
Yes I believe PS3 is in a spot of bother financially through not selling enough consoles coz its still too expensive, and needs a price cut(duh!)
Yes, I believe that the 360 is not THAT bad a machine, but there is no way in hell am i buying a machine that i'll be lucky if i get to play 4 out of 6 months due to it being sent back to the manufacturer and risk losing out on money on discs scratched!.
I just feel there are some folk on here that just don't like the PS3 coz its sony.
Headliner for you guys, microsoft is also evil! they tried to take over the world with their anti competitive ways!
and can I just add that I can't be a sony fanboy, coz I've just chose a NIKON over a SONY DSLR camera!
(No way am i paying extra for pro duo's!)
Yes I believe PS3 is in a spot of bother financially through not selling enough consoles coz its still too expensive, and needs a price cut(duh!)
Yes, I believe that the 360 is not THAT bad a machine, but there is no way in hell am i buying a machine that i'll be lucky if i get to play 4 out of 6 months due to it being sent back to the manufacturer and risk losing out on money on discs scratched!.
I just feel there are some folk on here that just don't like the PS3 coz its sony.
Headliner for you guys, microsoft is also evil! they tried to take over the world with their anti competitive ways!
and can I just add that I can't be a sony fanboy, coz I've just chose a NIKON over a SONY DSLR camera!
(No way am i paying extra for pro duo's!)
@Crabbyappleton
."For a while, there was a niche market of enthusiasts that could not wait to jump on the HD bandwagon but were afraid of future lack of compatibility with BR movies, so they paid for the PS3. them days are over."
Yep I have been saying that ever since Bluray players have dropped in price below the PS3.
@Vikampion
"The PS3 is the BEST blu-ray player out there. Some of my friends have non-PS3 blu-ray players, and it takes their players like 10 minutes to load movies and start playing them."
That is a moot point. Most consumers look at price and aren't concerned about being an enthusiast.
."For a while, there was a niche market of enthusiasts that could not wait to jump on the HD bandwagon but were afraid of future lack of compatibility with BR movies, so they paid for the PS3. them days are over."
Yep I have been saying that ever since Bluray players have dropped in price below the PS3.
@Vikampion
"The PS3 is the BEST blu-ray player out there. Some of my friends have non-PS3 blu-ray players, and it takes their players like 10 minutes to load movies and start playing them."
That is a moot point. Most consumers look at price and aren't concerned about being an enthusiast.
Even a little drop is bad to a business and also tells you how the market is behaving.
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- Posted on: 18 Feb 09 00:52
Nail on the head WRT Sony.
All I said was that Sony sold more PS3 in the past IMHO because folks bought them for home theater use to play back BR movies- in addition to them being a game console and that now that niche market has just about died. Now, they are losing sales because the PS3 is not in that much demand as a pure gaming console when compared to the Wii and the Xbox which are selling like hotcakes.
Some people did not like that I guess, but this is just my opinion and it is backed up in the article sales wise at least with sales figures. this is what I was looking at and I was trying to figure out why this is the ccase that Sony sales dropped by 25% in one year. So I gave my logic. I was not trying to start a "flame war" over consoles. When I think PS3 I think BR playback not games, that's all.
Some people did not like that I guess, but this is just my opinion and it is backed up in the article sales wise at least with sales figures. this is what I was looking at and I was trying to figure out why this is the ccase that Sony sales dropped by 25% in one year. So I gave my logic. I was not trying to start a "flame war" over consoles. When I think PS3 I think BR playback not games, that's all.
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- Posted on: 18 Feb 09 03:18
Yeah no, current PS3s have no PS2 backwards compatibility. Yet another PS3 disaster.
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- Posted on: 18 Feb 09 03:39
Right like the brainstorm of getting rid of backwards compatiblity with PS2 games for the PS3.
well i apologise for my comments towards you then.
I actually understand what you said about using it for home theatre use, because as you know i bought a second one for that exact reason.
But i still think that the games on the PS3 are starting to be on par with the 360, so its not really fair to call it just a fancy BR player.
I was going by the report somewhere on the net (will put source down if i can find it!) that the ps3 is down 0.3% for this year.
I actually understand what you said about using it for home theatre use, because as you know i bought a second one for that exact reason.
But i still think that the games on the PS3 are starting to be on par with the 360, so its not really fair to call it just a fancy BR player.
I was going by the report somewhere on the net (will put source down if i can find it!) that the ps3 is down 0.3% for this year.
No worries Steveo. You can say what is on your mind. I am not up on the games at all so you are probably right about that.
Games on PS3 are starting to look better than X360. 2008 games were already on par with X360 if we are totally honest about it.
It's just the natural evolution of the CELL at work, it's taking over the limitations of the PS3 graphic card.
I'm curious to see how much the CELL can take off the graphic card to increase overall performance or even better : add effects the GC is not capable of.
It's just the natural evolution of the CELL at work, it's taking over the limitations of the PS3 graphic card.
I'm curious to see how much the CELL can take off the graphic card to increase overall performance or even better : add effects the GC is not capable of.
I personally think that the graphics wont get THAT much better than the 360 to be honest. However, where I think it will shine though, is smarter AI which is always a good thing!
er...no! what happened was that the emotion chip(ps2 chip) was introduced into US machines, then they joined us europians with the software emulation without the emotion chip, then they cut it out all altogether!(doh!)
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- Posted on: 19 Feb 09 08:03
The PS3 is a flop. The only reason to even consider buying a PS3 is for the Blue-Ray, or you buy into the Sony propaganda.
All you have to do is look at the huge game base (unique titles and cross platform) and you will realize what game console manufactures prefer. The cost to produce a game for the PS3 is staggering high compared to the 360. Manufactures can make 3 games for the 360, compared to 1 game for the PS3 in the same time line, and still have the graphics look better and make it less buggy.
Does the PS3 have a better hardware system? Yes, they do. But they have a weaker graphics card in the PS3 and have to make up for it by trying to use the CPU. The PS3 CPU is only optimized to crunch numbers, so this causes a major problem in coding when they try to convert the CPU power to graphics.
Sony does not have the money anymore to give to game manufactures who are going over budget trying to figure out the coding for the PS3. This is why I think the PS3 is doomed, and will not see the its glorious day when they over take the 360 in graphics eye candy. I also think Sony will have to put out a new console before Microsoft because they are losing market share quickly, year after year.
All you have to do is look at the huge game base (unique titles and cross platform) and you will realize what game console manufactures prefer. The cost to produce a game for the PS3 is staggering high compared to the 360. Manufactures can make 3 games for the 360, compared to 1 game for the PS3 in the same time line, and still have the graphics look better and make it less buggy.
Does the PS3 have a better hardware system? Yes, they do. But they have a weaker graphics card in the PS3 and have to make up for it by trying to use the CPU. The PS3 CPU is only optimized to crunch numbers, so this causes a major problem in coding when they try to convert the CPU power to graphics.
Sony does not have the money anymore to give to game manufactures who are going over budget trying to figure out the coding for the PS3. This is why I think the PS3 is doomed, and will not see the its glorious day when they over take the 360 in graphics eye candy. I also think Sony will have to put out a new console before Microsoft because they are losing market share quickly, year after year.
Sources of your claims? I call bullshit on 3 games on X360 for the dev time of one on PS3, especially when most games are being released at the same time for both consoles.
'Does the PS3 have a better hardware system? Yes, they do. But they have a weaker graphics card in the PS3 and have to make up for it by trying to use the CPU.'
and thats why you fail, the GPU is part of the hardware system. also, I think you will find that its also number crunching that allows for certain graphics to be used!
Yes the 360's library is huge, but theres a fair few stinkers in that same library! and which games look buggy? I can't really recall any other than HAZE, and i've got 35 games for my ps3!
for the development of games, you are also looking at the ps3 from 2007's time frame. things have moved on alot since devs were complaining about the inferstructure of the ps3, and are becoming quite comfortable with the dev kits put out.
as ramza says, no source's of your claims, so basically you're just coming up with nonsence!
and thats why you fail, the GPU is part of the hardware system. also, I think you will find that its also number crunching that allows for certain graphics to be used!
Yes the 360's library is huge, but theres a fair few stinkers in that same library! and which games look buggy? I can't really recall any other than HAZE, and i've got 35 games for my ps3!
for the development of games, you are also looking at the ps3 from 2007's time frame. things have moved on alot since devs were complaining about the inferstructure of the ps3, and are becoming quite comfortable with the dev kits put out.
as ramza says, no source's of your claims, so basically you're just coming up with nonsence!
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- Posted on: 21 Feb 09 03:51
He-he...the 360 might have a few crap titles, but nothing like the crap Sony has been shelling out to try to compensate for their low output of games.
I see about 4 or 5 unique titles that are worth playing on the PS3. I took a look at the future 'soon to be released' titles and the '2009-2010' expected to be released, and all I see is 'crap on the horizon'.
See for yourself. If you can honestly say you like what you see, then more power too you...who cares what people think of you.
The 360 future releases are looking good, and they just got done releasing a boat load of killer games. Too bad some of the PS3 cross platform game 'add-ons' won't be supported for download for the Sony boys. Oh well, more fun for the 360 owners.
I see about 4 or 5 unique titles that are worth playing on the PS3. I took a look at the future 'soon to be released' titles and the '2009-2010' expected to be released, and all I see is 'crap on the horizon'.
See for yourself. If you can honestly say you like what you see, then more power too you...who cares what people think of you.
The 360 future releases are looking good, and they just got done releasing a boat load of killer games. Too bad some of the PS3 cross platform game 'add-ons' won't be supported for download for the Sony boys. Oh well, more fun for the 360 owners.
theres a big difference between my and you slayer, and that is that I see two great consoles in their own right, whereas from where you're standing, theres only one, which coincidently you own!
good for you. now trundle along like a good little troll!!
oh and by the way, you're right, i don't care!
and the DLC you're talking about is probably GTA4! good luck with that, I don't even like the GTA series! (apart from the first one!)
fact is, all the games are now going multiformat! don't like it? tough! even bioshock ended up over to the ps3! as for Gears of war 2.........God of war is on the ps3, kind of covers that base!
I personnally think you're just bumming up your console with a blinkered view.
the last thing i will say to you is this. when i spent my hard earned cash, I got a console that has wireless, HDMI, blutooth and at the time a card reader built in.
I saw none of that in the 360 when i made my decision, and i was certainly not going to buy extras for a console that should have had that all in already! i mean a HD-DVD external addon drive? pfft!
and what are you gonna do when MS bring out a new console very soon to replace the 360, and then subsequently drops all their current customers like a 'hot tattie' like they did with the orginal xbox?
You guys forget easily, this is MS, the company that bring out a new OS, then forget to cater for the people who have spent hundreds(sometimes thousands) on software to see it all become incompatible with their newly bought OS!
good for you. now trundle along like a good little troll!!
oh and by the way, you're right, i don't care!
and the DLC you're talking about is probably GTA4! good luck with that, I don't even like the GTA series! (apart from the first one!)
fact is, all the games are now going multiformat! don't like it? tough! even bioshock ended up over to the ps3! as for Gears of war 2.........God of war is on the ps3, kind of covers that base!
I personnally think you're just bumming up your console with a blinkered view.
the last thing i will say to you is this. when i spent my hard earned cash, I got a console that has wireless, HDMI, blutooth and at the time a card reader built in.
I saw none of that in the 360 when i made my decision, and i was certainly not going to buy extras for a console that should have had that all in already! i mean a HD-DVD external addon drive? pfft!
and what are you gonna do when MS bring out a new console very soon to replace the 360, and then subsequently drops all their current customers like a 'hot tattie' like they did with the orginal xbox?
You guys forget easily, this is MS, the company that bring out a new OS, then forget to cater for the people who have spent hundreds(sometimes thousands) on software to see it all become incompatible with their newly bought OS!
If you consider Killzone 2, God of War 3, Yakuza 3, FFXIII (and Versus) and GT5 as "crap", you my friend should immediatly stop playing video games altogether because nothing will ever live up to your standards.
Even someone who does not like the genre of those game must recognise their qualities.
Here is an exemple : I don't like the GTA serie, I think it's utter complete crap, but it's well done and am forced to admit its qualities for people enjoying that kind of games.
You are way too narrow-minded for your own good. You should open your mind to the world a bit more and show greater objectiveness.
The PS3 is, objectively, a better machine all around. Yes, it lacks good PS3 only games and the X360 sells more in US, but it doesn't change that simple fact.
Better never meant more sales, sometimes the market does not go the way it should because of unpredictable unkown reactions from the common human being.
Here is an exemple of something going "wrong" : The Wii selling is what I call the "sheep effect". Because it's fun the first time and because everyone has one, you buy one, but soon you notice you have no use for it and it's taking dust on your shelf. That is Nintendo's greatest accomplishment, selling millions of a useless crapy gadget.
I am part of those sheeps who bought the Wii, but I learned from that and never again will it happen.
Even someone who does not like the genre of those game must recognise their qualities.
Here is an exemple : I don't like the GTA serie, I think it's utter complete crap, but it's well done and am forced to admit its qualities for people enjoying that kind of games.
You are way too narrow-minded for your own good. You should open your mind to the world a bit more and show greater objectiveness.
The PS3 is, objectively, a better machine all around. Yes, it lacks good PS3 only games and the X360 sells more in US, but it doesn't change that simple fact.
Better never meant more sales, sometimes the market does not go the way it should because of unpredictable unkown reactions from the common human being.
Here is an exemple of something going "wrong" : The Wii selling is what I call the "sheep effect". Because it's fun the first time and because everyone has one, you buy one, but soon you notice you have no use for it and it's taking dust on your shelf. That is Nintendo's greatest accomplishment, selling millions of a useless crapy gadget.
I am part of those sheeps who bought the Wii, but I learned from that and never again will it happen.
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I remember when the 1st x-box came out. M$ was losing money. Now Sony is losing money. It doesn't matter what 360 fanboys say Sony is still king. This is going to be Sonys year. you will see. Yes I ama PS3 fanboy.
Can i just add that I did buy GTA4 for my ps3, coz i thought it might actually have been made into a good game, but it wasn't for me, so i'm not going to be that bothered about the DLC for the 360!
thats not the fanboy in me speaking, just didn't get into the game i'm afraid!
thats not the fanboy in me speaking, just didn't get into the game i'm afraid!
I never liked GTA serie, nor do a lot of my friends, you are not alone.
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@Ramza
Yep, you named 5 titles. Yes, those are the good ones, care to name more that has been released that are worth it? Wait, there is no more.
Yep, you named 5 titles. Yes, those are the good ones, care to name more that has been released that are worth it? Wait, there is no more.
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pfft what a load of bs. One or two games look better, 90% of games looked better on the 360. Are you that stupid fool from Canada once called Ranmacanada? People who want the best games go for the 360. There just isnt a huge market comparatively for a limited games machine with a blu-ray player inside.
Nope, always used Ramza or RamzaBehoulve and never been to Canada.
And you are just being a fanboy who is now resorting to insults to prove a point, even if you claim another name. By doing so, you just proved mine instead.
I also invite you to reread what I said. I clearly explain PS3 games were worse than 360, then became on par in 2008 and are NOW starting, for some, to look better.
Killzone 2 is just the first of the new PS3 game generation. The number of light effects (just an exemple) managed by the console is astounding, as well as the AI. That's something the X360 will never be able to do due to hardware restrictions.
In the future, if the devs take the time, a PS3 version will look (slightly) better than its X360 counter part and the AI always superior. That's just the natural evlution of things.
And you are just being a fanboy who is now resorting to insults to prove a point, even if you claim another name. By doing so, you just proved mine instead.
I also invite you to reread what I said. I clearly explain PS3 games were worse than 360, then became on par in 2008 and are NOW starting, for some, to look better.
Killzone 2 is just the first of the new PS3 game generation. The number of light effects (just an exemple) managed by the console is astounding, as well as the AI. That's something the X360 will never be able to do due to hardware restrictions.
In the future, if the devs take the time, a PS3 version will look (slightly) better than its X360 counter part and the AI always superior. That's just the natural evlution of things.
Exclusive to PS3 there are LittleBigPlanet, Valkyria Chronicles, Flower (not joking, really well done little game), MGS 4, Resistance 2 & Motorstorm that comes to my mind.
But since you seem so confident, care to give your list of X360 names WITHOUT Halo and Gears of Wars since those are arguably the "good" ones.
Let's see if I can even predict those titles : Fables 2, Forza 2, Mass Effect & Left 4 Dead come to my mind, maybe Condemned too. And the funny part? Some of those are also on PC so they are not X360 exclusives, so you can't count them either! I'll even be nice and add Star Ocean IV (which will probably find its way to PS3 anyway), but it's not out in Europe yet, nor US for that matter.
Anyway, noone said PS3 had a better library than X360 right now..the X360 has slightly more exclusives that are worth it, but with only really Halo Wars confirmed for 2009 as big blockbuster while the PS3 has many coming, starting with Killzone 2 yesterday.
I personnaly don't recommend any of my friends to buy the PS3 until those games are out, but it doesn't change anything to what I said : the coming months are in favor of the PS3.
You see, unlike you, I'm well aware of both consoles, their good, their bad. I've got friends with the X360, I've got others with PS3. Except for its crappy hardware problems, neither steveo, nor me said the X360 was a bad gaming machine. You on the other hand have been clearly trashing the PS3 for no objective reasons.
2009-2010 are just going to be the years of the PS3, also in part due to Blu-Ray demand, just get over it. We understood you bought a X360, like it and will defend it to the death, but truth is PS3 is becoming way more competitive than it was, now the only advantage left to the X360 is its agressive price. Graphism and exclusive "good" games advantages are fading rapidly.
Since the beginning PS3 has been long term investment, while the X360 short-medium term "I want to play NOW" investment. It's just starting to show the differences in marketing policies by Microsoft and Sony, that's it.
But since you seem so confident, care to give your list of X360 names WITHOUT Halo and Gears of Wars since those are arguably the "good" ones.
Let's see if I can even predict those titles : Fables 2, Forza 2, Mass Effect & Left 4 Dead come to my mind, maybe Condemned too. And the funny part? Some of those are also on PC so they are not X360 exclusives, so you can't count them either! I'll even be nice and add Star Ocean IV (which will probably find its way to PS3 anyway), but it's not out in Europe yet, nor US for that matter.
Anyway, noone said PS3 had a better library than X360 right now..the X360 has slightly more exclusives that are worth it, but with only really Halo Wars confirmed for 2009 as big blockbuster while the PS3 has many coming, starting with Killzone 2 yesterday.
I personnaly don't recommend any of my friends to buy the PS3 until those games are out, but it doesn't change anything to what I said : the coming months are in favor of the PS3.
You see, unlike you, I'm well aware of both consoles, their good, their bad. I've got friends with the X360, I've got others with PS3. Except for its crappy hardware problems, neither steveo, nor me said the X360 was a bad gaming machine. You on the other hand have been clearly trashing the PS3 for no objective reasons.
2009-2010 are just going to be the years of the PS3, also in part due to Blu-Ray demand, just get over it. We understood you bought a X360, like it and will defend it to the death, but truth is PS3 is becoming way more competitive than it was, now the only advantage left to the X360 is its agressive price. Graphism and exclusive "good" games advantages are fading rapidly.
Since the beginning PS3 has been long term investment, while the X360 short-medium term "I want to play NOW" investment. It's just starting to show the differences in marketing policies by Microsoft and Sony, that's it.
By the way, did anyone else notice that if you combine PS3 and X360 sales, they are higher than Wii?
That's right, there are as many HD consoles as Wii, therefore logical conclusion to Wii domination is simply that PS3 and X360 are competing against each other...had there been only one HD console, the Wii would not be dominating.
That's right, there are as many HD consoles as Wii, therefore logical conclusion to Wii domination is simply that PS3 and X360 are competing against each other...had there been only one HD console, the Wii would not be dominating.
And if I may add, graphical matters are quite the subective type, so saying 90% of X360 games looked better on X360 is just your personnal opinion, because honestly, unless I stoped and really looked close, I couldn't see the differences between old PS3 and X360 games with my eyes, hence why I've resorted to using more objective measurements strategies such as number of simultaneous lights effects and the graphic technics included in a game.
If both games have pixel shader X, for me they are the same, I don't go look if one edge of a rock is slightly more round on one or the other which is something more dev time related than the console itself.
If both games have pixel shader X, for me they are the same, I don't go look if one edge of a rock is slightly more round on one or the other which is something more dev time related than the console itself.
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