RIAA backs rootkits & explains how its legal action is working

22 Nov 05 00:38 by Seán Byrne in category Uncategorized To news archive

In a recent press conference between college journalists and the RIAA’s president, Cary Sherman, he compared how the music labels protect CDs in the same way as how the movie industry as well as the software & game companies protect their content. 

When the Columbia University asked about the RIAA’s reaction towards Sony BMG’s rootkit program, Sharman went on to mention that there is nothing unusual about it apart from the security vulnerability that Sony was unaware of.  Apart from that, he cannot find any other fault with the technology and that Sony seemed to act very responsible by discontinuing and recalling the CDs as a result of this particular issue.  He then tried explaining that lots of software applications have resulted in that same problem lots of times, yet did not take such aggressive steps as Sony to amend their mistakes apart from offer patches online.

After this, he went on to mention that the music labels are entitled to do what it takes to reduce casual piracy and that they are still more permissive than game, software and movie labels who do not permit any copies of their content to be made.  Finally when one went on to ask why the RIAA is keeping up its lawsuit campaign if it seems to be having no effect, Sharman went to compare the RIAA with how legal action is constantly being taken against bank robberies and shoplifting even though the crime never stops and that the ratio of file sharing to broadband users has gone down, since while P2P usage remains fairly flat, the number of new broadband subscribers continues to rapidly rise.  As a result, this shows that more consumers are chosing legitimate alternatives.  Thanks to agomes who used our news submit to let us know about the following news:

He (Sharman) said that there was nothing unusual about technology being used to protect intellectual property. He said that you can’t make an extra copy of Windows or virtually any other software. Why should CDs be any different?

The only problem he had with the Sony BMG situation was that the technology it used contained a security vulnerability.

Sherman said that Sony had handled the situation well, by backing down. He said that Sony had apologised for its mistake, ceased manufacture of CDs with that technology,and pulled CDs with that technology from store shelves.

The full transcript href="http://www.cpwire.com/artman/publish/article_1212.asp" target=_new
>can be read here.

While Sharman may not see much wrong with the Sony’s copy protection method, he probably doesn’t realise just how bad the problem was, such as the inability to uninstall it without causing further problems, how it deliberately tampers with the OS to hide files, the risk of causing data loss with using Sony’s uninstaller and so on, as the security risk was just one of many side effects it caused.  It would be interesting to see what his reaction would be if something installed a rootkit on his PC without his authorisation and then lost some important documents as a result of trying to later uninstall it. 

agomes added:  Someone said ethics? Or did someone refer to the computer owner’s rights?  Interesting concept: you can do EVERYTHING to protect your own interests even to disrespect other people rights – the right to privacy, for instance.

Source: The Inquirer

20 Comments

Roj
Posts: 434
Posted on: 22 Nov 05 00:54
Aparrently Cary is known for his profound pronouncements of wisdom vis a vis piracy - or at least what he considers piracy. Given that a law has just been passed prohibiting spyware such as the rootkit, this moron is advocating clear violation of and contempt for The Law. Can you say "criminal prosecution" boys and girls? I knew you could... *snicker* As an aside, up here in Canada, the rootkit is in clear violation of our Privacy Act. Strict penalties apply. Can't wait to see the lawsuits...
[edited by Roj on 22.11.2005 00:57]
heystoopid
Posts: 307
Posted on: 22 Nov 05 00:56
Say, does that mean we can sue CARY SHERMAN, under the pc antispy act for supporting aiding and abetting illegal installation of computer spyware, which corrupts and provides security holes in the main computer operating system!:B
Hypnosis4U2NV
Posts: 1464
Posted on: 22 Nov 05 01:27
Can someone backhand one upside this idiots head and explain to him, that they shouldnt be going after the people buying their products!! His entire speech was focused on file traders and P2P providers, yet this rootkit does nothing to stop any of those, instead its focused on the person shelling out the money to buy the CD.. I seriously doubt that this would stop anyone who really wants to share music.. :r
bkf
Posts: 1685
Posted on: 22 Nov 05 01:36
Talks like that guy that said it was our duty to watch Tv Ad's
Alexandre
Posts: 72
Posted on: 22 Nov 05 01:38
Get a look at these two stories then;
hajj_3
Posts: 185
Posted on: 22 Nov 05 01:39
die RIAA, hope your homes are all burnt down and your fast asleep at the time!
sandman777
Posts: 9
Posted on: 22 Nov 05 01:39
The state of Texas just weighed in on what they think about Sony's root kit trick. In an interview on CNBC's On The Money the state of Texas is suing Sony for $100,000 per violation. Which according to the Texas State Attorney General will equal hundreds of millions of dollars. Gotta love it:B
jlemoine
Posts: 22
Posted on: 22 Nov 05 02:13
THe RIAA and their Nazi like tactics are doing more harm than good for the music industry. As for BMG and Sony music I for one will never fork over one cent to them ever again!!
CPUSlayer
Posts: 103
Posted on: 22 Nov 05 02:27
Carefull what you say, RIAA might read this and sue you for shits and giggles as revenge for your remarks. Also they will find your IP # and say you were pirating music (even though you havent been) with only an IP # as proof. All they need is an IP # with no other proof and you can kiss 10 grand goodbye. Boycotting is the only way to get the point across, but who knows what other excuse they would come up with when their sales go back down.
RichMan
Posts: 867
Posted on: 22 Nov 05 02:31
Good point Hypnosis. If they can't block copying 100%, then the music will end up on the net. So all they are doing is punishing/hurting those that actually buy the CDs. It is just a waste of their time...but also their money. ;-)
CPUSlayer
Posts: 103
Posted on: 22 Nov 05 02:33
Posted by bkf Talks like that guy that said it was our duty to watch Tv Ad's ------------------------------------------------- I would Gladly pay an extra $20 per month to my local cable company to never see an advertisement. Hell, Id pay that to my IP provider if that meant to filter out my junk email and internet advertisements and popups.
bkf
Posts: 1685
Posted on: 22 Nov 05 09:31
Yea: After I take a 2 hour movie and chop out all the Ad's im left with something just over an hour long. 30 to 35% is the norm but I have seen just short of 50%. That's 5 minutes for 5 minutes. "RIAA backs rootkits & explains how its legal action is working" Tell that to the stock holders after Christmas. It may not have been main stream a month ago but it sure is now. And even the mere mention of a device, the mere specter of a device having Rootkits or other DRM forms whether true or not could have a serious impact on sales. More and more people are going to be taking a closer look at anything electronic or purchased media. This is not over it just started. Good news it finally is going main stream on major news networks such as ABC yesterday.
TigerZai
Posts: 521
Posted on: 22 Nov 05 11:58
At no point did Cory Sherman ever acknowledge the free promotional effect of filesharing. CD sales are without doubt boosted because believe it or not some people actually want the original material, but it's unavailable as it's not yet released locally. So they download a copy to check it out. If they like what they hear, they might just buy it. It could also be that they heard it from a friend's mp3 player and that prompted them to buy it. There's all sorts of scenarios that might generate sales from p2p file sharing. None of which have ever been acknowledged by the RIAA and similar bodies. Comparing shoplifters to someone using p2p is totally inappropriate. There is no way of knowing that someone who downloads any copyright protected product will or will not actually go out and buy the original after checking it out (the promotional effect) Someone who steals from a shop clearly never had any intention of paying for the goods in the first place! Similarly it's fair to presume that a bank robber has no intention of acquiring even the money to buy things honestly never mind the products bought with it.
Shoebedobedoo
Posts: 586
Posted on: 22 Nov 05 12:23
"RIAA backs rootkits & explains how its legal action is working" Legal action working? Then why do you still complain and profits are down? Aiding antispyware under the pc antispy act = aginst the law and the RIAA should be sued!
twsyf
Posts: 14
Posted on: 22 Nov 05 20:52
It takes a Russian speaker to understand Russian, not a chinese. It takes a crook to see crookedness in all that it's greedy eyes survey. Only Truth can see Truth, not immorality. 'Big" [in immorality] business, 'entreprenuerialship" or whatever that greed masks as, like to forward the idea that immorality only exists in the 'Halleluja Crowd" or that it does not apply to commerce but that's a myth. Promotion of greed, 'excitement", 'newness of fashion", groupie-ism and all such activities, championed by commerce as the real meaning for existence, is nothing but immorality. Immorality is NOT so much about 'rights & wrongs", 'sin and do-gooders", 'sympathy & self-righteousness", 'The preacher & the blind-faithful", 'anger & guilt", aggression & depression", and similar couplings, but about who we really, really are. Through our 5-senses, we are fooled into agreeing that the highest achievement is to be a president such that our genitalia can be cleansed by worshipping groupie or backhanders are free for the taking by starting a few conflicts here and there. In reality, if Truth exists, and remember that only Truth can recognise Itself for black & white are two separate and distinctive entities, Immorality also exists. Immorality, for example, is theft of property as in piracy AS WELL AS the theft of others' dignity, self-respect and wealth through overcharging and promotion of greed and fashionability. Both are culpable and are the different faces of the same coin. One cannot exist without the other. If an 'entreprenuer" manages to form and institute a bread cartel and starts charging £20 for a loaf of bread, should riots be allowed to destroy it? Greed has truly proven that it can dull even the dullest of minds and blinds aggression into thinking that it sees everything correctly. Was Hitler correct? Modern-day nazis thinks so. In this topsy-turvy world, where has wealth, stolen through the numbing and liberalising of unspeakable desires, gravitated to? To drugs, prostitution [in all forms and aspects], blind material accumulation of every kind, pride, aggression, arrogance, indifference and more. A president expresses 'the freedom of democracy" but does he realise that it also liberates all that is immoral? Freedom has responsibilites or else the kid with the match WILL burn the house down. Why else is a sex-starved entity not allowed to rape everything it desires. Who limits rampant promotion of greed? Certainly not democracy for that is actually demonocracy in practice. A balanced democracy can limit itself? Ever tried the simple trick of playing the national anthem and see how they line up to 'free those damn natives from their cruel dictator" [who happens to be there because cheap/almost-free oil is needed back home to pep-up the next election.] Liberating the brain and not our projective or subjective minds is the answer for morality is inborn in all normal humans. Achievement of a 'highest" office might make that impossible, though, like the office of some 'Promotion of Greed" cartel for that is truly abnormal. Ever read the tale about the Emperor Clothes? It's called a delusion of the mind. Delusion here is thinking that greed is moral or amoral. Greed can only act through a human mind, is it not? So what's so amoral about that. The way to crack the likes of RIAA is to expose them for what they really, really are. You cannot fight the devil in his den, which is 'congress" or some such joke for those establishments are mere branches of commerce masquerading as moral politics. Morality of politics died with the passing of Washington and Lincoln. Their real replacements have yet to be sighted. The death of the world is not so much global warming or even nuclear conflict for those are distant prospects compared to the virulency of greed and abandonment of morals. For those who still doesn't understand what is morality, eating one's stool is immoral. It's against our absolute well-being.
themushroom
Posts: 188
Posted on: 22 Nov 05 22:29
If anything will be proven, it will be that rootkits like that cause more financial trouble than they are worth and the record companies will save themselves bundles by not using them. Or rational ones anyway which don't like spending more on lawsuits than they gained in profits. The RIAA should be familiar with the concept of spending more money on lawsuits than they have gained in profits -- or hopefully will become such by the P2P-accused reacting to the lawsuits.
Tremo
Posts: 300
Posted on: 23 Nov 05 01:02
Here's a scary thought... since RIAA backs and approves the use of rootkits, how long until they buy off the corrupt Bu$h regime and rootkits are legalized? No more lawsuits. Removal of rootkits would violate the DMCA, so uninstallers would be illegal. Telling people how to prevent the rootkits from installing would likewise be circumvention and therefore illegal as well. 6 months? 9 months?
rla
Posts: 127
Posted on: 23 Nov 05 08:41
I love this. The RIAA backs root kits. Then they accept no responsibility for the damage they may cause by stating that Sony didn't know better. Gee! That excuse never seems to work for the people they try to harrass into settlements. So for billion dollar corporations it is just fine to be ignorant. In the typical industry stance everyone else is supposed to suffer while the holy members of the RIAA jack around with the citizen's computers, their security and their privacy? Where is the U.S. Attorney General on this? Are we to assume the public doesn't need to be protected in these situations or do the FEDs only react to phone calls from crooked politicians? I guess when a ton of states finally sue the AG will jump on the band wagon. After all he has to see which way the wind blows...its the (unwritten) law *laughs!
Rhelic
Posts: 302
Posted on: 23 Nov 05 18:48
Outlook 2003 has some of the best auto-spam blocking I've ever seen. Firefox has AdBlocking plugins. Mission accomplished :P
Tremo
Posts: 300
Posted on: 23 Nov 05 21:19
Yo rla, this is BUSH and REPUBLICANS! They are for sale to the highest corporate bidder, and screw the people. That's how the neocons work. Those who object can go to Iraq and get killed, for Halliburton's profit. Pray that the Republicans lose bigtime in 06. The fascist Hitler Bush must be stopped.

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