Despite the fact that the Sony PlayStation 3 remains one of the best Blu-ray players available, it seems Sony is getting verbal abuse from everyone these days. The most recent assault on Sony and the PS3 came via CNN Money, where a writer called the PS3 a "sinking ship."
The PS3 not surprisingly was again dominated by sales of the Microsoft Xbox 360 and Nintendo Wii game consoles. In November, Nintendo moved more than 2 million Wiis, Microsoft sold 836,000 consoles, and Sony, in a distant third, sold just 378,000 units.
The lack of buyers has led to more published articles and blogs questioning if the PS3 is already dead.
Analyst group NPD said PS3 sales are down around 17 percent from last year, while the Wii and Xbox 360 sales are higher. Sony ca’t blame the global economy and U.S. recession, because the video game industry has had solid numbers the past two months.
Even more pessimistic writers have wondered if the PS3 is going to eventually lead to Sony’s demise.
Sony is a big enough company where I have a hard time believing just one bad product would spell the end for the Japanese electronics giant. Furthermore, Sony’s recent launch of Home should help generate new interest in the game console. But it appears that just one piece of software isn’t going to be Sony’s saving grace, and the company needs to prepare for a slow road back to relevance.
If Sony wants to see sales numbers increase, the company really needs to drastically cut prices to better compete with the other consoles. The Xbox 360 can be found for $199 while the Wii remains $249. The Wii entered the market with the same price tag and it obviously is doing just fine at the $249 price point. Microsoft decided to slash prices to help give it an advantage on Sony, and it obviously has worked; the console’s sales overtook the PS3 in Japan, a market very supportive of Japanese companies. Sure, it was just one month — and was due to a price cut — but analysts agreed that the news was still significant.
No game catalog. The Xbox 360 has the most extensive game catalog, with the Wii also having a good variety of titles. "LittleBigPlanet" was a good game, but it wasn’t anything overly special compared to other video games. Considering the hardware power of the PS3, game studios need to create new game titles that harness the PS3’s computing power.
It’s true that games such as Metal Gear Solid 4 and Resistance 1 and 2 were available and sold well, but software sales still are higher with the Xbox 360.
Built-in Blu-ray player? According to the CNN blog, no one cares! Sony used the built-in Blu-ray player as a major selling point during the Blu-ray, HD DVD battle last year. Blu-ray movies still remain too high, and consumers aren’t interested in upgrading from their DVD catalog, and that trend isn’t expected to end any time in the future.
I’ll give Sony a little bit of slack, as I believe people will eventually adopt Blu-ray in the future, with PS3 owners becoming more interested in playing Blu-ray movies.
Do you own a PS3? If so, what made you decide to purchase it over the Xbox 360 or Wii?
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- Posted on: 14 Dec 08 21:04
I have a 360 elite a Wii and 2 PS3s. By far I enjoy my PS3s more than the other two platforms. The PS3s are our multimedia hubs in the home. We play everything from classic games to Resistance 2. We stream movies with TVersity to our PS3s and watch lots of bluray movies. The Wii is cute and I enjoy my 360 on occassion but the PS3 gets most of our attention because it is far more flexible and is the superior experience all the way around.
I own an Xbox 360 and Wii, and have spent enough time playing the PS3 at friends' houses over the past few months. I enjoy using the PS3 as a Blu-ray player, but the game catalog simply isn't as appealing to me.
I love the games I play on the Xbox 360, and the Wii also has some very enjoyable ones that are fun to play with my little brother and younger people. The PS3 lacks that, and IMO will cause Sony to suffer even more in the future.
I love the games I play on the Xbox 360, and the Wii also has some very enjoyable ones that are fun to play with my little brother and younger people. The PS3 lacks that, and IMO will cause Sony to suffer even more in the future.
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- Posted on: 14 Dec 08 21:51
It's ridiculous to think that it's a sinking ship, its still selling. Thats like saying that Royal Mail are a sinking ship thanks to email. If no-one was buying it, then yes, I'd be worried. It's not a bad console, most of the people I have asked have said they would buy one if it weren't for the price, which is, yes, stupidly high.
Im sticking with my ps3, after all this time, just because I love it. People call me a fanboy, I really don't care, because I have an amazing, durable and innovative console next to my telly. Hell, i've been playing it all day. And in the long run, if people want online play, isn't 360 going to cost them more? £50 a year for online, lets say the paid about £240 for it back in the day, its been 3 years, theyve paid an extra £150. thats just stupid.
Im sticking with my ps3, after all this time, just because I love it. People call me a fanboy, I really don't care, because I have an amazing, durable and innovative console next to my telly. Hell, i've been playing it all day. And in the long run, if people want online play, isn't 360 going to cost them more? £50 a year for online, lets say the paid about £240 for it back in the day, its been 3 years, theyve paid an extra £150. thats just stupid.
Scaremongering a week before Christmas.
</br> I think Microsoft have had a little something to do with that original CNN article, and I don't just mean by their sales numbers</p> As an owner of all three consoles, I can say quite easily the PS3 completely outclasses the Xbox360 in all regards, except their games selection, which is a huge shame
The PS3 is overpriced however, it should be around £200 in the UK. Definitely at the most £250 RRP.
A £300 RRP is just pricing itself out of the competition
</br> I think Microsoft have had a little something to do with that original CNN article, and I don't just mean by their sales numbers</p> As an owner of all three consoles, I can say quite easily the PS3 completely outclasses the Xbox360 in all regards, except their games selection, which is a huge shame
The PS3 is overpriced however, it should be around £200 in the UK. Definitely at the most £250 RRP.
A £300 RRP is just pricing itself out of the competition
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- Posted on: 14 Dec 08 22:50
The only thing that swayed me over to buy a PS3 is it's Blu-Ray capability.
Put it this way I have over 80 Blu-ray movies and about 5 PS3 games that hardly get any usage.
On the other hand, I have a Wii as well, purchased at the same time I bought the PS3. I have over 20 games on the Wii and most of them are getting heavy usage.
Put it this way I have over 80 Blu-ray movies and about 5 PS3 games that hardly get any usage.
On the other hand, I have a Wii as well, purchased at the same time I bought the PS3. I have over 20 games on the Wii and most of them are getting heavy usage.
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- Posted on: 14 Dec 08 22:52
Forgot to mention I stream video and music as well on the PS3 and they get far better usage than any of the PS3 games. Most of the PS3 games are crap anyways.
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- Posted on: 14 Dec 08 23:20
I have owned a ps3 for 2 years+ now and have never bought a game for it simply because the x360 version is always better. Better meaning, framerate graphics and resolution. I have rented and borrowed games from friends only to be dissapointed. My ps3 simply is a stand alone bluray player for my son.
I think the PS3 is the superior machine, but they priced themselves out of the market. The 360 doesn't have wi-fi/blu-ray which really makes it a cheaper console (until you have to buy a wi-fi adapter). The ps3 also introduce cell architecture which no one had experience writing games for. So the 360 had a year head start, a cheaper price, a more familiar hardware setup, so alot of the best games were made for it, which really snowballed its popularity amongst gamers.
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- Posted on: 15 Dec 08 00:12
It's not sinking it's already sunk!
RIP PS3
RIP PS3
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- Posted on: 15 Dec 08 00:12
It's not sinking it's already sunk!
RIP PS3
RIP PS3
A lower price would be help much
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- Posted on: 15 Dec 08 00:44
Erm, one little thing.
The 360 has -not- overtook the PS3 in Japan.
In won on -1- month due to the simple fact that a new bundle far more interesting in price had been advertised a month ahead by Sony, and sales of the PS3 plumeted to 3k per week while the 360 was selling 10k a week due to price drop and JRPG exclu from Square.
Since then, The new 80Gb PS3 has sold a lot, and the release of PES 2009 has seen the PS3 selling 30-40K a week with the 360 falling to 8k a week and less (with a peak at 10k for the release of The Last Remnant).
The 360 has -not- overtook the PS3 in Japan.
In won on -1- month due to the simple fact that a new bundle far more interesting in price had been advertised a month ahead by Sony, and sales of the PS3 plumeted to 3k per week while the 360 was selling 10k a week due to price drop and JRPG exclu from Square.
Since then, The new 80Gb PS3 has sold a lot, and the release of PES 2009 has seen the PS3 selling 30-40K a week with the 360 falling to 8k a week and less (with a peak at 10k for the release of The Last Remnant).
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- Posted on: 15 Dec 08 01:24
The PS3 is not sinking. What is sinking is its price tag. The PS3 is too far ahead in the future and that is its problem. Most people are not ready for multimidia devices like the PS3 (multimedia player with integrated local networking so you can play any multimedia file living in your PC hard drive, video game machine, blue ray, Mac OS machine with PPC achitechture!, and much more). I can even install linux on that thing without knowing much about it.
But because it's so futuristic it has a ridiculus price tag, developers have trouble making games for it and it takes years (way too complex to making a game that really takes advantage of the cell technology right now), and most people simply don't have any idea how versatile the PS3 is so they go to the store shoping for a video game console. If I didn't know all the things the PS3 can do, which don't because a lot of them haven't even been tried yet by software developers, I wouldn't go buy one for the price it is at now. PS3 is like a $100K BMW. You don't see the majority of people buying those?
I don't even think PS3 should be compared with the Wii and not much with the Xbox either becuase the "video game machine" label doesn't fit it at present. Maybe it is the wave of the future game consoles, or maybe it's a dead experiement that Sony will never try again. That future I think is in the hands of game developers and the Sony corporation.
But because it's so futuristic it has a ridiculus price tag, developers have trouble making games for it and it takes years (way too complex to making a game that really takes advantage of the cell technology right now), and most people simply don't have any idea how versatile the PS3 is so they go to the store shoping for a video game console. If I didn't know all the things the PS3 can do, which don't because a lot of them haven't even been tried yet by software developers, I wouldn't go buy one for the price it is at now. PS3 is like a $100K BMW. You don't see the majority of people buying those?
I don't even think PS3 should be compared with the Wii and not much with the Xbox either becuase the "video game machine" label doesn't fit it at present. Maybe it is the wave of the future game consoles, or maybe it's a dead experiement that Sony will never try again. That future I think is in the hands of game developers and the Sony corporation.
Yeah, that's the ticket -- it's too advanced for us regular folks...too advanced. Mebbe in some distant future or alternate universe the PS3 will be appreciated for being the futureistic, technological marvel that it certainly is.
In the meantime, Sony is sinking in red ink....sinking, sinking, sinking...gee what a crying shame!
In the meantime, Sony is sinking in red ink....sinking, sinking, sinking...gee what a crying shame!
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- Posted on: 15 Dec 08 03:12
The truth is that Blu-ray is a huge mistake and it has been killing Sony for years - their financial reports for more than the last 5yrs show the deep drain it has been.
Now they are admitting that they will never recover their initial investment (which has been several billion $......billions of $ before the coming recession spreads even more pain).
The fanboy element can say the PS3 is 'incredible', 'amazing', 'awesome' blah blah blah as much as they like but the sales numbers show the truth, it's getting killed and that preaching to the choir BS is getting them nowhere.
Even the old 'PS3's the best Blu-ray player' line is out-of-date as standalones now sell at much lower prices (even if the format is still very much struggling against DVD......note that the new Batman - a movie as aimed at the PS3 owner as can be still only had 20% of DVDs sales; that's got to be disappointing to the BDA/Sony, who expected the Blu-ray 'record' sales to be matched by DVD's far more massive record launch sales?).
Make no mistake, Sony are in real trouble.
Now they are admitting that they will never recover their initial investment (which has been several billion $......billions of $ before the coming recession spreads even more pain).
The fanboy element can say the PS3 is 'incredible', 'amazing', 'awesome' blah blah blah as much as they like but the sales numbers show the truth, it's getting killed and that preaching to the choir BS is getting them nowhere.
Even the old 'PS3's the best Blu-ray player' line is out-of-date as standalones now sell at much lower prices (even if the format is still very much struggling against DVD......note that the new Batman - a movie as aimed at the PS3 owner as can be still only had 20% of DVDs sales; that's got to be disappointing to the BDA/Sony, who expected the Blu-ray 'record' sales to be matched by DVD's far more massive record launch sales?).
Make no mistake, Sony are in real trouble.
Ok first you said there financial reports have been down the drain for 5 years. That is longer than Blu Ray and they have been having problems with replacing exploding batteries and losing the portable music department.
Also comparing sales apple to apple is retarded since they both have different install bases. Dvd has a 15 year lead in getting units into everyones house then Blu Ray. Sony sales only seems to be doing better and considering they have movies that sell 1 million units is a sign that it will be very hard to get rid of even if Sony goes under (remember kids Sony doesn't own Blu Ray there are many others that are part of the Blu Ray group)
Also comparing sales apple to apple is retarded since they both have different install bases. Dvd has a 15 year lead in getting units into everyones house then Blu Ray. Sony sales only seems to be doing better and considering they have movies that sell 1 million units is a sign that it will be very hard to get rid of even if Sony goes under (remember kids Sony doesn't own Blu Ray there are many others that are part of the Blu Ray group)
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- Posted on: 15 Dec 08 11:30
Of course the Wii and 360 will outsell the PS3. Money is tight for a lot of people and so they need to keeps costs as low as possible so they plump for the cheaper option. Those with the free cash who want the extra features will go for the PS3.
The PS3 is clearly a more advanced machine than the other 2 in terms of functionality. Maybe its games are weaker than the 360, I havent used a 360 so I have no idea.
I get SICK of these people who attack the PS3 because they don't own one or who have no use for its other features.
I have always found that it is the users/owners of the lesser items that attack the hardest, trying to make up for their short fall. Its was true with the 8 bit home computers and its true today.
Give it a rest.
The PS3 is clearly a more advanced machine than the other 2 in terms of functionality. Maybe its games are weaker than the 360, I havent used a 360 so I have no idea.
I get SICK of these people who attack the PS3 because they don't own one or who have no use for its other features.
I have always found that it is the users/owners of the lesser items that attack the hardest, trying to make up for their short fall. Its was true with the 8 bit home computers and its true today.
Give it a rest.
@Duncan,
How does your first paragraph above argue against the proposition that the PS3 is a sinking ship?
How does your first paragraph above argue against the proposition that the PS3 is a sinking ship?
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- Posted on: 15 Dec 08 12:23
Ferd,
I wasnt trying to argue against the proposition. Of course I dont believe that it is a sinking ship. It may not be as bouyant as others but I guess that is due to the higher price. People buy what they can afford. Parents looking for a games console for little Jonny for Christmas will no doubt opt for the cheaper unit. People who want a games console, Blu Ray player and general media center will opt to pay a bit more for the PS3. I guess there are more games players than multi media users. That was Sonys gamble, risky yes but it may still pay off.
I have no idea what CPU the 360 and Wii have in them and I guess Sony made a mistake in plumping for a radically different architecture which pushed the build cost up, forced developers to learn a new way to program and have a detrimental effect on the inital batch of games. The 360 is more of an upgrade than a revolution in hardware, the safe option. Sony decided to try and push it.
Give it time.
I wasnt trying to argue against the proposition. Of course I dont believe that it is a sinking ship. It may not be as bouyant as others but I guess that is due to the higher price. People buy what they can afford. Parents looking for a games console for little Jonny for Christmas will no doubt opt for the cheaper unit. People who want a games console, Blu Ray player and general media center will opt to pay a bit more for the PS3. I guess there are more games players than multi media users. That was Sonys gamble, risky yes but it may still pay off.
I have no idea what CPU the 360 and Wii have in them and I guess Sony made a mistake in plumping for a radically different architecture which pushed the build cost up, forced developers to learn a new way to program and have a detrimental effect on the inital batch of games. The 360 is more of an upgrade than a revolution in hardware, the safe option. Sony decided to try and push it.
Give it time.
The CPU they used in the PS3 is actually being utilzied elsewhere like in Tv's, Set Top boxes, and implemented in multi threaded high end programming like nucular calculations and crap.
thing is guys, the reason i bought the ps3 over the 360, is because it had wireless connection and HDMI from the start, cardreader, a bluray player, which, i'm sorry but how can you say its not needed in consoles when MS is seriously considering putting it into their own consoles?
and lastly the fact that i don't have to pay for my gaming online.!
i think you will find that this CNN articule has not looked at the worldwide market, and is a litte one-sided, and if I was SONY, i would be sueing the backside off CNN for the bad publicity!
and i'm pretty sure MS would do the same thing too!
i'm now waiting to be called a fanyboy for this, but i feel that when i chose my console, i made the best choice!
and lastly the fact that i don't have to pay for my gaming online.!
i think you will find that this CNN articule has not looked at the worldwide market, and is a litte one-sided, and if I was SONY, i would be sueing the backside off CNN for the bad publicity!
and i'm pretty sure MS would do the same thing too!
i'm now waiting to be called a fanyboy for this, but i feel that when i chose my console, i made the best choice!
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- Posted on: 15 Dec 08 19:54
I want to buy a PS3 primarily for the blu-ray. I'm not much of a gamer but I would enjoy having that option along with watching movies. My hesitation is the price. If they were to cut the price I would probably buy one immediately.
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- Posted on: 15 Dec 08 20:01
steveo119:
"if I was SONY, i would be sueing the backside off CNN for the bad publicity!"
And a happy 1984 to you too, ever hear of freedom of opinion?
"if I was SONY, i would be sueing the backside off CNN for the bad publicity!"
And a happy 1984 to you too, ever hear of freedom of opinion?
yeah, have you ever heard of getting your facts straight before putting out dodgy stories?
I do have a 360 and PS3 and I have to say there is NO doubt that the PS3 is a superior a machine. The 360 can at times seem to be more popular but that doesn't mean its better. Case in point: I download the Stars Wars Force unleased demo and played it for good while. I enjoyed and appreciated how visually stunning it was. I was quite impressed. So it got around that I liked this game. Well I ended up receiving this game as gift but unfortunately it was for the 360http://www.cdfreaks.com/jochem/../im...lies/6/eek.gif They wanted to play it so I had to no choice but to open it up and play. To my disappointment (and my wife's who had played the demo also) saw a noticeable difference in overall graphic quality (and she's not one to notice or care). Colors, sharpness and detail was much better on the PS3. I wished that somehow I didn't open it and was able to exchange for the PS3 version.
Another point, as already mentioned, its basic economics. If an item is lower priced than it's competitors they're going to sell more unitshttp://www.cdfreaks.com/jochem/../im...lies/7/doh.gif. More units sold don't mean anything to the PS3, its in a different class all its own. It's like trying to compare a mercedez with a rolls royce, sure there will be more sales of mercedez but does that mean that rolls royce is going down? Absolutely NOT!
And let's be honest with ourselves. Do you think the fact that the Xbox 360 is hacked and that with a modifed firmware you can play your backup games have anything to do with it? Be real not deceived.
Another point, as already mentioned, its basic economics. If an item is lower priced than it's competitors they're going to sell more unitshttp://www.cdfreaks.com/jochem/../im...lies/7/doh.gif. More units sold don't mean anything to the PS3, its in a different class all its own. It's like trying to compare a mercedez with a rolls royce, sure there will be more sales of mercedez but does that mean that rolls royce is going down? Absolutely NOT!
And let's be honest with ourselves. Do you think the fact that the Xbox 360 is hacked and that with a modifed firmware you can play your backup games have anything to do with it? Be real not deceived.
The PS3 has it's strong points. It has a Cell processor that is only good for crunching numbers, and its architecture needs to be redesigned to become a superior CPU in the console. The Cell processor is a power house, but the PS3 console (as a whole) can not utilize it. What a waist of resources relying on it to pick up the consoles slack. It has a very good blue-ray rom that is the PS3's main selling points for consumers. The menu options are highly configurable. Plus people still remember the DRM protections on Sony discs that caused their computers to crash, in the end they lost many potential customers (Velvet Revolver was one of them). Where are the unique games Sony that made you the leader in the PAST?
PS3's week points. The graphics card is weaker than the Xbox 360's, but the cell processor makes up for what it loses. Also, most games look better on the 360 and games are more buggy on the PS3. People are looking at the lack of unique titles for the PS3 in the next couple of years, and they can not justify buying a PS3 just for 3 or 4 games, I can only think of 4 good unique titles that were worth playing. Internet Co-op Twisted Metal 4 would be a nice addition for the future. The exterior of the case looks like a 4 year old designed it. Speaking of designing, game manufactures found out how easy it was to program games for the 360, and then they struggled when they programed for the PS3. Most manufactures say it takes twice as long to develop a game for the PS3 than it did for a Xbox 360.
All in all, the only things the PS3 has going for it is their past fan base, and its Blue-Ray Rom player.
The Xbox 360 has better graphics and is cheaper to buy. It also has a HUGE selection of major titles. The months leading up to Christmas was just flat out awesome for the 360, it seem like you can only play a game for 4 days before another title is released. Keep them coming.
The Wii is in it own league. They developed a cheap but fun console for all ages. Not only are kids and mid aged gamers playing it, it is a major hit for the elderly. It is keeping the elderly active, more social, and giving them something to look forward to...instead of waiting to die. Who would have guessed?
PS3's week points. The graphics card is weaker than the Xbox 360's, but the cell processor makes up for what it loses. Also, most games look better on the 360 and games are more buggy on the PS3. People are looking at the lack of unique titles for the PS3 in the next couple of years, and they can not justify buying a PS3 just for 3 or 4 games, I can only think of 4 good unique titles that were worth playing. Internet Co-op Twisted Metal 4 would be a nice addition for the future. The exterior of the case looks like a 4 year old designed it. Speaking of designing, game manufactures found out how easy it was to program games for the 360, and then they struggled when they programed for the PS3. Most manufactures say it takes twice as long to develop a game for the PS3 than it did for a Xbox 360.
All in all, the only things the PS3 has going for it is their past fan base, and its Blue-Ray Rom player.
The Xbox 360 has better graphics and is cheaper to buy. It also has a HUGE selection of major titles. The months leading up to Christmas was just flat out awesome for the 360, it seem like you can only play a game for 4 days before another title is released. Keep them coming.
The Wii is in it own league. They developed a cheap but fun console for all ages. Not only are kids and mid aged gamers playing it, it is a major hit for the elderly. It is keeping the elderly active, more social, and giving them something to look forward to...instead of waiting to die. Who would have guessed?
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- Posted on: 16 Dec 08 09:56
Nintendo made the mistake of making the Wii a bit too weak in the graphics and multimedia department. Even on the network gaming department is not brilliant. But otherwise, both my daughter and girlfriend have Wii's, as those are the types of games they enjoy most.
Son has a 360, which fell victim of the red-rign-of-death.
If PS3 was like half the price and "open" (to play video formats like divx, which it sort-of-is, but you have to rely on Sony's good will for that), I would certainly consider it as a blu-ray/network media player, but I would pbbly not buy games for it as the games offered are not my cup of tea. But my son would force me to buy one or two, so there.
Son has a 360, which fell victim of the red-rign-of-death.
If PS3 was like half the price and "open" (to play video formats like divx, which it sort-of-is, but you have to rely on Sony's good will for that), I would certainly consider it as a blu-ray/network media player, but I would pbbly not buy games for it as the games offered are not my cup of tea. But my son would force me to buy one or two, so there.
Have you ever played the PS3? Have you triend any 2nd/3rd gen games for the PS3 (yes the first gen one's were crappy compared to there Xbox 360 counterpart but remember programmers had a whole extra year of work on the 360 so of course it runs more optimized.)Did you read the post right above yours stating a 1 on 1 comparison of the Star Wars game? Just cause on paper the PS3 might look weaker doesn't mean in the real world it isn't. This reminds me how HD-DVD's were supposed to be cheaper to manufacture yet the discs were more expensive at the stores. It's all about the real world
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- Posted on: 16 Dec 08 18:21
Bob, you're a complete moron if you actually believe your sarcasm passes muster. You must not know diddly about electronics if you think the Xbox 360 is a superior machine. It's not.
The PS/3's woes would be easily erradicated by simply dropping the price 100 dollars. Most of the problems with framerates and resolutions would be solved if the game makers would start writing games that were inline with specifications for the machine instead of just doing the bare minimum to get it to work. They don't bother to try to learn the systems, they just want the money. The game makes lose out because *THEY* screw up.
Before you open your mouth and spew crap again, don't.
The PS/3's woes would be easily erradicated by simply dropping the price 100 dollars. Most of the problems with framerates and resolutions would be solved if the game makers would start writing games that were inline with specifications for the machine instead of just doing the bare minimum to get it to work. They don't bother to try to learn the systems, they just want the money. The game makes lose out because *THEY* screw up.
Before you open your mouth and spew crap again, don't.
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- Posted on: 16 Dec 08 18:24
You're wrong about it being a waste. The problem *ISN'T* the Cell (RISC) processor. It's the lack of understanding from the developers about how to program for it.
Learn before you open your mouth.
Learn before you open your mouth.
Sony had 10 year head start on Microsoft to develop a good program development kit to code games. They actually have a good 15+ year lead in the console market than Microsoft had. With that said, Sony is losing the lead because they can't make a console efficient enough to compete in their past Monopoly market. Sony had all of the advantages going into this "next generation" console.
Don't give me that crap that Microsoft had a 1 year lead over Sony. Just like Sony said in the past, the total units sold speaks for its self. They said that over and over again when the original xbox came out. Sony had a massive user base with the PS and PS2, sorta sucks for them that people are preferring the 360. The month to month sales are proving it.
The Wii is dominating the sales. Then the 360 is half the sales of what the Wii is. Then there is the lonely PS3 that is trailing way in the back, still losing money per console sold. While the Wii and the 360 are making money per console sold. LOL. It is not just the total units sold, it is also what is being sold month to month. Consoles + games + accessories, with those combined, Sony is trailing even further behind.
The FACTS say it all. Sony is losing, and Microsoft is setting course ( and surpassed their expectations) to gain massive amounts of market share from Sony in the medium and high end gaming console market. Wii has the low end gaming market won.
Sony messed up, and they are paying for it in more than 1 way. It was Sony's market to mess up, and they have successfully killed their bread and butter. They need to get their asses in gear and actually do something that will increase their sales, instead of sitting there making verbal comments in media press releases about other manufactures products. Perhaps they should spend more time concentrating on their own product, instead of trying to be creative on how to put down someone elses product.
Don't give me that crap that Microsoft had a 1 year lead over Sony. Just like Sony said in the past, the total units sold speaks for its self. They said that over and over again when the original xbox came out. Sony had a massive user base with the PS and PS2, sorta sucks for them that people are preferring the 360. The month to month sales are proving it.
The Wii is dominating the sales. Then the 360 is half the sales of what the Wii is. Then there is the lonely PS3 that is trailing way in the back, still losing money per console sold. While the Wii and the 360 are making money per console sold. LOL. It is not just the total units sold, it is also what is being sold month to month. Consoles + games + accessories, with those combined, Sony is trailing even further behind.
The FACTS say it all. Sony is losing, and Microsoft is setting course ( and surpassed their expectations) to gain massive amounts of market share from Sony in the medium and high end gaming console market. Wii has the low end gaming market won.
Sony messed up, and they are paying for it in more than 1 way. It was Sony's market to mess up, and they have successfully killed their bread and butter. They need to get their asses in gear and actually do something that will increase their sales, instead of sitting there making verbal comments in media press releases about other manufactures products. Perhaps they should spend more time concentrating on their own product, instead of trying to be creative on how to put down someone elses product.
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The Love Boat by Paul Williams and Charles Fox - The Love Boat Lyrics
Love, exciting and new
Come Aboard. We're expecting you.
Love, life's sweetest reward.
Let it flow, it floats back to you.
Love Boat soon will be making another run
The Love Boat promises something for everyone
Set a course for adventure,
Your mind on a new romance.
Love won't hurt anymore
It's an open smile on a friendly shore.
Yes LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! It's LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! (hey-ah!)
Love Boat soon will be making another run
The Love Boat promises something for everyone
Set a course for adventure,
Your mind on a new romance.
Love won't hurt anymore
It's an open smile on a friendly shore.
It's LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! It's LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! It's
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The Cell processor is a waist. It is a very powerful processor that was developed just for the PS3. Sony guessed on the architecture of the chip, and they guessed it wrong. The Cell processor is capable of so much more. But the programming and architecture Sony used will never fully utilize the Cell cpu. The Cell processor is only good at crunching numbers, that is about it.
Manufactures, programmers, and geniuses spent over 5 years trying to tap out the power of the Cell processor, and they have fell short of expectations. I can guarantee Sony hired very talented and very expensive programmers to make the console do what it does today. They might be able to pull a miracle out of their asses and gain another 5 -10% out of the console. But it is not the lack of understanding of the Cell, it was lack of an efficient architecture to control the console 'as a whole'.
Due to the difficulties of programming games for the PS3, most game manufactures are switching to the Wii or the 360 for profitability reasons. They can make a crap load of money and stay on budget if they stay clear from the PS3. From what I hear, it is a gamble for the manufacture to design a game for the PS3, they are going over budget. Most manufactures code the game for the Xbox 360 first, then reverse engineer it to play on the PS3. That is how much of a nightmare it is to develop a game for the PS3.
With all the crap talk from Sony, and stating that their Cell processor is so much better than the 360's 3 core design. Then they fall way short of expectations after all of their hype. You have just got to laugh.
Believe what you want. Search the web, don't just believe what Sony tries to sell you about their product, or what a fan-boy wants you to believe. Research! Do your homework on the subject, make your own opinions after you have the facts. Facts are facts, theories or opinions are not.
Manufactures, programmers, and geniuses spent over 5 years trying to tap out the power of the Cell processor, and they have fell short of expectations. I can guarantee Sony hired very talented and very expensive programmers to make the console do what it does today. They might be able to pull a miracle out of their asses and gain another 5 -10% out of the console. But it is not the lack of understanding of the Cell, it was lack of an efficient architecture to control the console 'as a whole'.
Due to the difficulties of programming games for the PS3, most game manufactures are switching to the Wii or the 360 for profitability reasons. They can make a crap load of money and stay on budget if they stay clear from the PS3. From what I hear, it is a gamble for the manufacture to design a game for the PS3, they are going over budget. Most manufactures code the game for the Xbox 360 first, then reverse engineer it to play on the PS3. That is how much of a nightmare it is to develop a game for the PS3.
With all the crap talk from Sony, and stating that their Cell processor is so much better than the 360's 3 core design. Then they fall way short of expectations after all of their hype. You have just got to laugh.
Believe what you want. Search the web, don't just believe what Sony tries to sell you about their product, or what a fan-boy wants you to believe. Research! Do your homework on the subject, make your own opinions after you have the facts. Facts are facts, theories or opinions are not.
You love pulling things out of your ass don't you cpuslayer?
"Manufactures, programmers, and geniuses spent over 5 years trying to tap out the power of the Cell processor, and they have fell short of expectations. I can guarantee Sony hired very talented and very expensive programmers to make the console do what it does today. They might be able to pull a miracle out of their asses and gain another 5 -10% out of the console. But it is not the lack of understanding of the Cell, it was lack of an efficient architecture to control the console 'as a whole'."
Uh I have read interviews from EA and Epic (you know the people who made most of the games your playing) saying they have barely tapped at the potential of the PS3 and that was comments within the last year. Typically there is a reason for harder programming and once you get used to it usually the results are worth it.
Now read this please
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(microprocessor)
Also IBM created this cpu not Sony so saying it was made specificly for the PS3 is pretty ignorent
"Manufactures, programmers, and geniuses spent over 5 years trying to tap out the power of the Cell processor, and they have fell short of expectations. I can guarantee Sony hired very talented and very expensive programmers to make the console do what it does today. They might be able to pull a miracle out of their asses and gain another 5 -10% out of the console. But it is not the lack of understanding of the Cell, it was lack of an efficient architecture to control the console 'as a whole'."
Uh I have read interviews from EA and Epic (you know the people who made most of the games your playing) saying they have barely tapped at the potential of the PS3 and that was comments within the last year. Typically there is a reason for harder programming and once you get used to it usually the results are worth it.
Now read this please
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(microprocessor)
Also IBM created this cpu not Sony so saying it was made specificly for the PS3 is pretty ignorent
@psychoace
Look at the very first sentence of the artical you linked to, it says,
"Cell is a microprocessor architecture jointly developed by Sony Computer Entertainment, Toshiba, and IBM, an alliance known as "STI". "
And it also says.
"The first major commercial application of Cell was in Sony's PlayStation 3 game console"
And finally this.
Cell is widely regarded as a challenging environment for software development.
5 years of coding the PS3 and they can not make it better than the xbox 360. The 360 graphics look better, the games play better and the games are less buggy.
So lets say Sony does pull the miracle out of their asses to make the Cell processor better in the future, the time table for a new console hardware is growing closer and closer. Perhaps 5 years or more, and the consoles will be way behind in the PC sector...which it already being passed. So if Sony has not figured out the PS3 with 5 years of development, how many more years is it going to take before (they think) they can benefit from it? 5 more years and it will be beneficial? Just in time for Microsoft's new up to date PC standard console? Both the PS3 and 360 would be out of date and obsolete compared to the PC standards in 5 years.
All in all. The 360 has a better graphics card and the graphics flat out looks better than the PS3's graphics. That is hardware limited, no miracle software is going to help that. The Cell CPU will not help the graphics look better, but it could make more explosions and more action on the HDTV before the FPS start dropping.
How many game manufactures are going to keep on researching the PS3 and keep waisting money on big delays of major titles just to try to figure out how to make the PS3 operate better? How much more money can Sony afford to dump into programmers to try to pull more power out of the cell? Sony is losing money still on each console sold, they are not selling enough games to pay for everything, and they spent 5 years programming games and they haven't figured out how to program properly for the PS3. MAN, WHAT A SUPERIOR CONSOLE!!!!!!!!!
LMFAO!!!
What good is a high performance car, if you can't get it running? If you wait too long to fix it, the next model will roll out leaving your past car obsolete. Not only will the next model roll out, you lose what that model could have been.
I'm not saying the PS3 is a high performance machine, they have not proved anything to anyone. It is all say so. As far as manufactures saying they barley tapped the potential of the PS3, it could be true....but they haven't yet, and it may not even be possible due to budgets on Sony's part, and the game manufactures budgets. It may not be possible due to the Cell architecture. It is amazing what manufactures will say when money is flashed in front of them, or start getting help when they are over budget due to the programming nightmare of the PS3.
Look at the very first sentence of the artical you linked to, it says,
"Cell is a microprocessor architecture jointly developed by Sony Computer Entertainment, Toshiba, and IBM, an alliance known as "STI". "
And it also says.
"The first major commercial application of Cell was in Sony's PlayStation 3 game console"
And finally this.
Cell is widely regarded as a challenging environment for software development.
5 years of coding the PS3 and they can not make it better than the xbox 360. The 360 graphics look better, the games play better and the games are less buggy.
So lets say Sony does pull the miracle out of their asses to make the Cell processor better in the future, the time table for a new console hardware is growing closer and closer. Perhaps 5 years or more, and the consoles will be way behind in the PC sector...which it already being passed. So if Sony has not figured out the PS3 with 5 years of development, how many more years is it going to take before (they think) they can benefit from it? 5 more years and it will be beneficial? Just in time for Microsoft's new up to date PC standard console? Both the PS3 and 360 would be out of date and obsolete compared to the PC standards in 5 years.
All in all. The 360 has a better graphics card and the graphics flat out looks better than the PS3's graphics. That is hardware limited, no miracle software is going to help that. The Cell CPU will not help the graphics look better, but it could make more explosions and more action on the HDTV before the FPS start dropping.
How many game manufactures are going to keep on researching the PS3 and keep waisting money on big delays of major titles just to try to figure out how to make the PS3 operate better? How much more money can Sony afford to dump into programmers to try to pull more power out of the cell? Sony is losing money still on each console sold, they are not selling enough games to pay for everything, and they spent 5 years programming games and they haven't figured out how to program properly for the PS3. MAN, WHAT A SUPERIOR CONSOLE!!!!!!!!!
LMFAO!!!
What good is a high performance car, if you can't get it running? If you wait too long to fix it, the next model will roll out leaving your past car obsolete. Not only will the next model roll out, you lose what that model could have been.
I'm not saying the PS3 is a high performance machine, they have not proved anything to anyone. It is all say so. As far as manufactures saying they barley tapped the potential of the PS3, it could be true....but they haven't yet, and it may not even be possible due to budgets on Sony's part, and the game manufactures budgets. It may not be possible due to the Cell architecture. It is amazing what manufactures will say when money is flashed in front of them, or start getting help when they are over budget due to the programming nightmare of the PS3.
CPUSlayer says:
"Cell is a microprocessor architecture jointly developed by Sony Computer Entertainment, Toshiba, and IBM, an alliance known as "STI". "
HMMMMz this is interesting as for a while, Toshiba was going to introduce a DVD upscaler sporting a Cell proc. It is kind of funny that they were in cahoots with Sony on the Cell. Then went HD DVD then when down and Toshiba along with it, they thought about using the Cell as a competing product....Wow!
"Cell is a microprocessor architecture jointly developed by Sony Computer Entertainment, Toshiba, and IBM, an alliance known as "STI". "
HMMMMz this is interesting as for a while, Toshiba was going to introduce a DVD upscaler sporting a Cell proc. It is kind of funny that they were in cahoots with Sony on the Cell. Then went HD DVD then when down and Toshiba along with it, they thought about using the Cell as a competing product....Wow!
Cell Cpu was initially designed for the PS3
Link http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cell/Cell0_v2.html
I would say we both have weak links. Wiki is not really trust worthy, and I can't say I trust this link much eighter.
Development started in March of 2001. So hypothetically, Sony. Tosh, and IBM had close to 8 years to write code for the Cell. They had to write code to test the cell and see what could be improved.
Link http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cell/Cell0_v2.html
I would say we both have weak links. Wiki is not really trust worthy, and I can't say I trust this link much eighter.
Development started in March of 2001. So hypothetically, Sony. Tosh, and IBM had close to 8 years to write code for the Cell. They had to write code to test the cell and see what could be improved.
@Crabbyappleton
Perhaps Sony should pick better partners when trying to develop jointly on a project. Perhaps the PS3 would have been a better machine. Just kidding, that was a cheap shot.
I didn't say it, I just pulled that form the untrustworthy link Wiki that psycho ace posted. Not very many sites trust Wiki, because anyone could add to it. Bias or fiction.
Perhaps Sony should pick better partners when trying to develop jointly on a project. Perhaps the PS3 would have been a better machine. Just kidding, that was a cheap shot.
I didn't say it, I just pulled that form the untrustworthy link Wiki that psycho ace posted. Not very many sites trust Wiki, because anyone could add to it. Bias or fiction.
No worries! Sounds plausible though,
Aww .. gee guys .. it only took 5 years for software manufacturers to write 64b applications for WinXP64 & Vista 64 ... and the difference was bugger all anyway 
Take a new media processing architecture that is designed for SERIOUS multimedia number crunching, and of course they still haven't got optimal utilisation of the cores.
Compare that to M$ .. take a bunch of off-the shelf hardware and whack it together & spend the difference on advertising .. and you get a gutless PC with a Disc shredder, and limited life expectancy.
Sony will be keeping the PS3 for another 7-8 years ... and it will still be competitive. Microsoft will be spending a fortune on development of the Xbox3 to compete later, and software will need to be revised (again).
Take a new media processing architecture that is designed for SERIOUS multimedia number crunching, and of course they still haven't got optimal utilisation of the cores.
Compare that to M$ .. take a bunch of off-the shelf hardware and whack it together & spend the difference on advertising .. and you get a gutless PC with a Disc shredder, and limited life expectancy.
Sony will be keeping the PS3 for another 7-8 years ... and it will still be competitive. Microsoft will be spending a fortune on development of the Xbox3 to compete later, and software will need to be revised (again).
The Xbox 360 did have problems, but Microsoft stood behind it all the way with a 2 year warranty. I did have a 360 RROD on me, but it was painless to get it fixed. Compare that to Sony's 30-90 day warranty. The PS2 had major problems with their dvd rom drives dieing early, but they didn't do squat to help the consumer. People sent in their PS2's to get fixed for $100, just to have them burn out a few months later.
We will see if Sony and developers have enough capital to be able to make use of the Cell cpu in the next 5 years. I bet they will increase the capability by 5-10% and that will be it. You can not increase graphics with an old generation graphics card, but you can use software physics for the Cpu to help take the load off the graphics card (still in development).
They are both great consoles. I believe the games for the consoles are the major contributor of who succeeds. If Sony drops massive amounts of games on the market, I think they will do just fine in the years to come. But if they continue down the current path of sub par games, 2 or 3 major unique game titles per year, they are in trouble.
We will see if Sony and developers have enough capital to be able to make use of the Cell cpu in the next 5 years. I bet they will increase the capability by 5-10% and that will be it. You can not increase graphics with an old generation graphics card, but you can use software physics for the Cpu to help take the load off the graphics card (still in development).
They are both great consoles. I believe the games for the consoles are the major contributor of who succeeds. If Sony drops massive amounts of games on the market, I think they will do just fine in the years to come. But if they continue down the current path of sub par games, 2 or 3 major unique game titles per year, they are in trouble.
Considering the cost of what it takes to R&D a whole complicated cpu like the cell it would be pretty moronic to just think of it in the scope a ps3 cause they would never make up there initial investment. I was more or less pointing to that site to show you it is being used for more than just the PS3.
Also it's pretty impossible to code for a chip when it's just blue prints. Compilers don't run well on paper.
Also it's pretty impossible to code for a chip when it's just blue prints. Compilers don't run well on paper.
Uh again pulling stuff out your butt? The PS3 was released on November 17th 2006. It was rushed. Most devolopers didn't have demo units until May of 2006 (remember the units with the toggle switches?). So 5 years?
http://playstation.about.com/od/ps3/a/PS3SpecsDetails.htm
Also you were correct about how Xbox 360 games were superior to PS3 games in 1 to 1 comparison when the system first came out if you took some time and A. read posts by people like scifer and others who have owned the system B. checked other comparison sites you would see the PS3 is gaining huge ground in the graphics department. Grand Turismo is at 1080p and looks better then any racing game on the 360.
oh and a 1 on 1 comparison for GTA4
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/209601.html
http://playstation.about.com/od/ps3/a/PS3SpecsDetails.htm
Also you were correct about how Xbox 360 games were superior to PS3 games in 1 to 1 comparison when the system first came out if you took some time and A. read posts by people like scifer and others who have owned the system B. checked other comparison sites you would see the PS3 is gaining huge ground in the graphics department. Grand Turismo is at 1080p and looks better then any racing game on the 360.
oh and a 1 on 1 comparison for GTA4
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/209601.html
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Im not so sure that the number of major unique game titles per year is all that important. As a casual gamer it can take me a while to complete a game and I tend not to buy a new one until the previous one is complete. I have a small circle of online friends and we will decide which games to get based on their online play facilities. Had great fun working through Vegas 1 and 2.
I think it would be more of an issue for the hardcore gamers, people who can rattle through a game in a couple of days.
I think it would be more of an issue for the hardcore gamers, people who can rattle through a game in a couple of days.
What about the other problems xbox 360 has? Like scratched disc's that they charge 20 bucks to replace?
@psychoace
The warnings are on the sticker out side of the Dvd-rom and in the instruction booklet that you run the chance of scratching a disc if you move the xbox while the the disc is spinning. All consoles will scratch the disc if they move it, but from what some people are saying, the 360 is more prone to this issue with more severe scratches. I have tested it with an old disc, and the only way it scratches it is when the console falls from the up right position onto its horizontal position, or you bump it hard. Yes, I sacrificed and risked damaging my 360 for this test.
I have not had it happen to me while using it as recommended, or has it happened to my friends, or to anyone I have gamed with online when I asked them. But that does not mean that it doesn't happen. Perhaps it was a bad batch of Dvd-Rom players, or a bunch of people who can't read instructions. What sucks is with the new generations of consoles, the consumer can not replace key components due to the DRM software protections detecting it.
There is a video on U-Tube showing a faulty 360 Rom player scratching a new disk while it was secure on a table. Perhaps their kids fed it some sand, candy, or it truly is faulty. If people know they have a faulty drive, why would they risk putting in another disc and taking another risk?
The main questions. What is Microsoft doing to help the people that are having this problem? Is it a faulty Dvd-Rom, or was it damaged by shipping, or damaged by the user? Perhaps Microsoft tore apart and inspected the Dvd-Roms in question and have solid evidence that it is user related. Or perhaps they are trying to cover it up like Sony did years ago with the PS2. We don't have any facts, just a small amounts of people's "say so" and theories.
I bet the people who are having this problem are still playing their consoles, ruining more and more discs, instead of sending it in to Microsoft to have fixed because they do not want to be without an xbox 360 for up to 6 weeks. Or perhaps the consumers know they are at fault, and they think if they scream loud enough, they will get it fixed at Microsoft expense.
The warnings are on the sticker out side of the Dvd-rom and in the instruction booklet that you run the chance of scratching a disc if you move the xbox while the the disc is spinning. All consoles will scratch the disc if they move it, but from what some people are saying, the 360 is more prone to this issue with more severe scratches. I have tested it with an old disc, and the only way it scratches it is when the console falls from the up right position onto its horizontal position, or you bump it hard. Yes, I sacrificed and risked damaging my 360 for this test.
I have not had it happen to me while using it as recommended, or has it happened to my friends, or to anyone I have gamed with online when I asked them. But that does not mean that it doesn't happen. Perhaps it was a bad batch of Dvd-Rom players, or a bunch of people who can't read instructions. What sucks is with the new generations of consoles, the consumer can not replace key components due to the DRM software protections detecting it.
There is a video on U-Tube showing a faulty 360 Rom player scratching a new disk while it was secure on a table. Perhaps their kids fed it some sand, candy, or it truly is faulty. If people know they have a faulty drive, why would they risk putting in another disc and taking another risk?
The main questions. What is Microsoft doing to help the people that are having this problem? Is it a faulty Dvd-Rom, or was it damaged by shipping, or damaged by the user? Perhaps Microsoft tore apart and inspected the Dvd-Roms in question and have solid evidence that it is user related. Or perhaps they are trying to cover it up like Sony did years ago with the PS2. We don't have any facts, just a small amounts of people's "say so" and theories.
I bet the people who are having this problem are still playing their consoles, ruining more and more discs, instead of sending it in to Microsoft to have fixed because they do not want to be without an xbox 360 for up to 6 weeks. Or perhaps the consumers know they are at fault, and they think if they scream loud enough, they will get it fixed at Microsoft expense.
So your calling me and others a liar when we say we have never moved our systems and have recieved scratches on all our discs?
Also the reason they might risk putting in another disc in a faulty drive is because Microsoft is not replacing the drives under warrenty.
I can send you pictures of all 5+ of my games and demo discs and show you the scratches. I get constant read errors with my system. I have never had my xbox 360 in a vertical posisition. So please explain why this is happening.
Also the reason they might risk putting in another disc in a faulty drive is because Microsoft is not replacing the drives under warrenty.
I can send you pictures of all 5+ of my games and demo discs and show you the scratches. I get constant read errors with my system. I have never had my xbox 360 in a vertical posisition. So please explain why this is happening.
off topic? thought this was sony sinking ship, not 360 scratched my disks thread?
off topic? thought this was sony sinking ship, not 360 scratched my disks thread?
He's absolutely right!
Sony will have a longer return on their investment while M$ is going to spend more on the their next gen console. The PS3 will evolve with time. Just like the point he made about the 64bit. By the time software developers start fully programing to take advantange of the newer architectures the old will be considered absolete. Anyone want a 16bit PC? Any takers for Windows 3.1?
Sony will have a longer return on their investment while M$ is going to spend more on the their next gen console. The PS3 will evolve with time. Just like the point he made about the 64bit. By the time software developers start fully programing to take advantange of the newer architectures the old will be considered absolete. Anyone want a 16bit PC? Any takers for Windows 3.1?
psychoace,
I am not here to call you a liar. I think you are a fan-boy of Sony, which there is nothing wrong with it. You stand behind the product you believe in, had good luck with, and that is your opinion you express and that is your given right.
Some people get offended when you start putting down the product they support, or bought into. Others look at the total picture and can careless who supports their product they bought, and what opinion others have about the product they support. I believe that competition is what lower prices. If one manufacture fails or another gains a monopoly, there will be little innovations and the prices will remain high.
Typical argument is Ford vs. Chevy, or even Leopard vs. WinXP. They all have flaws, but in different hardware or software. Some buy Domestic to support their countries economy, some buy foreign because they can careless about their country and want what they think is the best possible product for their use.
You go to buy a used house, the owner selling the house thinks the house is worth 10's of thousands more than market value because it is their house. Chevy fans like Chevy's for their comfortable ride and swear by them because of the cheap high performance parts. Ford guy like fords because they typically last longer and are extremely tough. This all of course a matter of opinion.
Your argument is that Sony is going to crush the 360 when they figure out how to program the PS3. I respect that opinion, you never know...it could happen down the road. My argument is that Sony built a console without knowing exactly how their system is going to respond with the Cell CPU, sorta gambling that they can gain performance later on by reprogramming the drivers, software, and graphics (new physics drivers). I say they would have came close to the max potential of the hardware of the PS3, and they are relying a miracle that they can some how use the awesome processing power of the Cell cpu to off load the stress of graphics card to make the system 'as a whole' better. I don't think they have the money to give the game manufactures to research after they have already went over budget trying to program the extremely hard architecture of the PS3.
Microsoft gambled also, rushing out a system without proper cooling. They stood behind that problem with a 2 year warranty. We will see what happens with the scratched disc problem that less than 1% seem to have. I do believe the going rate of faulty computer hardware is around 3%. If you ever built computers, you would know that memory, dvd-rom drives, and PSU's are the most prone to failure. What makes other parts fail early are usually heat related due to the lack of cooling or overclocking with too many volts. Weak PSU's can also tax a system and cause hardware to fail early.
Take it what my opinion is worth, if any to you. Time will tell how Sony fairs in the shaken market, and see if they can regain or lose more market share in the years to come. I think we all hope for a competitive market so the console and game manufactures will create better games and hardware, with lower prices.
I am not here to call you a liar. I think you are a fan-boy of Sony, which there is nothing wrong with it. You stand behind the product you believe in, had good luck with, and that is your opinion you express and that is your given right.
Some people get offended when you start putting down the product they support, or bought into. Others look at the total picture and can careless who supports their product they bought, and what opinion others have about the product they support. I believe that competition is what lower prices. If one manufacture fails or another gains a monopoly, there will be little innovations and the prices will remain high.
Typical argument is Ford vs. Chevy, or even Leopard vs. WinXP. They all have flaws, but in different hardware or software. Some buy Domestic to support their countries economy, some buy foreign because they can careless about their country and want what they think is the best possible product for their use.
You go to buy a used house, the owner selling the house thinks the house is worth 10's of thousands more than market value because it is their house. Chevy fans like Chevy's for their comfortable ride and swear by them because of the cheap high performance parts. Ford guy like fords because they typically last longer and are extremely tough. This all of course a matter of opinion.
Your argument is that Sony is going to crush the 360 when they figure out how to program the PS3. I respect that opinion, you never know...it could happen down the road. My argument is that Sony built a console without knowing exactly how their system is going to respond with the Cell CPU, sorta gambling that they can gain performance later on by reprogramming the drivers, software, and graphics (new physics drivers). I say they would have came close to the max potential of the hardware of the PS3, and they are relying a miracle that they can some how use the awesome processing power of the Cell cpu to off load the stress of graphics card to make the system 'as a whole' better. I don't think they have the money to give the game manufactures to research after they have already went over budget trying to program the extremely hard architecture of the PS3.
Microsoft gambled also, rushing out a system without proper cooling. They stood behind that problem with a 2 year warranty. We will see what happens with the scratched disc problem that less than 1% seem to have. I do believe the going rate of faulty computer hardware is around 3%. If you ever built computers, you would know that memory, dvd-rom drives, and PSU's are the most prone to failure. What makes other parts fail early are usually heat related due to the lack of cooling or overclocking with too many volts. Weak PSU's can also tax a system and cause hardware to fail early.
Take it what my opinion is worth, if any to you. Time will tell how Sony fairs in the shaken market, and see if they can regain or lose more market share in the years to come. I think we all hope for a competitive market so the console and game manufactures will create better games and hardware, with lower prices.
I own a Xbox 360 not a PS3. The people in these two posts don't seem like fanboys
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/15319-Report-Microsoft-knew-of-damaging-disk-problem.html
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/13225-Microsoft-admits-scratch-problem-with-Xbox-360.html
I'm just saying the PS3 is not the crapfest that you seem to portray it to be.
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/15319-Report-Microsoft-knew-of-damaging-disk-problem.html
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/13225-Microsoft-admits-scratch-problem-with-Xbox-360.html
I'm just saying the PS3 is not the crapfest that you seem to portray it to be.
What ever, if that is your opinion...your welcome to it.
More than likely, I will never buy another console for myself. I would probably buy one for my bro, but thats it. Im a hardcore PC freak. Bluray playability is cheapest on PC. You can even burn Blu for under 200$. Playback for less than 80$. So I laugh at the PS3. Now if I had more money to throw away...
Sony... Your over priced. Even I MIGHT consider getting one if you bring prices down to more affordable levels.
I dont see sony going anywhere either. Gaming is not there largest division. Stereos, Television, Computers, Heck just about anything electronic, they design their version of. They will endure!
Sony... Your over priced. Even I MIGHT consider getting one if you bring prices down to more affordable levels.
I dont see sony going anywhere either. Gaming is not there largest division. Stereos, Television, Computers, Heck just about anything electronic, they design their version of. They will endure!
(posted by Omegaman) "They will endure!"
What some people don't understand is that the CELL processor is not a just a generic CPU, but a collection of optimally tuned processors designed for very specific purpose with a generic processor linking them - designed from the start to handle full HD video rendering & high quality audio.
A generic CPU (like Xbox 360) simply cannot compete (even with extra cores), which is why they have to add aftermarket dedicated sound processors, dedicated memory processors, dedicated Graphics Processors, dedicated video codec processors & etc/etc.
The CELL processor is also being incorporated into other new products, and as the CELL processor reaches mass production, the PS3 will drop in price very quickly as it's practically a System on a Chip, and more programmers will be available to program for the cell architecture - whether they are programming Games for PS3, or simulations regarding String Theory.
I cannot state this often enough ... the PS3 is in for the long haul, and will remain competetive for a long time, while M$ fanboys will be spouting about how wonderful their new Xbox720 in just a few years .. and every incompatible with their current Xbox360.
Developers haven't come close to utilising the Cell architectures abilities.
In several years, the new Xbox720 (or whatever) will be full priced, whereas the PS3 will be a fraction of the price & will be slaughtering the Xbox720 in terms of Game variety, overall Quality & Functionality.
What some people don't understand is that the CELL processor is not a just a generic CPU, but a collection of optimally tuned processors designed for very specific purpose with a generic processor linking them - designed from the start to handle full HD video rendering & high quality audio.
A generic CPU (like Xbox 360) simply cannot compete (even with extra cores), which is why they have to add aftermarket dedicated sound processors, dedicated memory processors, dedicated Graphics Processors, dedicated video codec processors & etc/etc.
The CELL processor is also being incorporated into other new products, and as the CELL processor reaches mass production, the PS3 will drop in price very quickly as it's practically a System on a Chip, and more programmers will be available to program for the cell architecture - whether they are programming Games for PS3, or simulations regarding String Theory.
I cannot state this often enough ... the PS3 is in for the long haul, and will remain competetive for a long time, while M$ fanboys will be spouting about how wonderful their new Xbox720 in just a few years .. and every incompatible with their current Xbox360.
Developers haven't come close to utilising the Cell architectures abilities.
In several years, the new Xbox720 (or whatever) will be full priced, whereas the PS3 will be a fraction of the price & will be slaughtering the Xbox720 in terms of Game variety, overall Quality & Functionality.
Debro Said
Developers haven't come close to utilising the Cell architectures abilities.
I totally agree. But what Sony can not do is change the hardware that is already incorporated in the PS3. They expect to utilize the Cell cpu and that's great. But what they will be limited on is the memory, psu, mainboard, graphics chip, hdd & blue-ray controllers, basically the rest of the whole system. They will not be able to raise voltages, tweak resisters, overclock the graphics, add better cooling on older consoles, or even add to the already bought systems to be able to implant tweaks to improve the system if the Cell cpu coding requires it. What I am saying is they are limited to what they already have, and if they spent over 5 years developing, coding, and writing software for that console, I believe they are close to their limits. But that is just my opinion.
Their Cell is only going to stay on top for only so long. With the Intel Quad Cores maturing and 8 to 12+ cores are a year or two away, I believe Sony will not be able to use their same Cell in their next system and expect to be able to compete.
Microsoft implanted proven technology, the 3 cores on 1 die cpu is powerful enough to last them. They have a great looking and powerful graphics chip.While Sony is still using their old psu, memory, graphics, direct X 9, main boards, 5400 rpm HDD's, old generation Blue-ray, and the old chipset for everything else. Microsoft will be rolling out the latest hardware, with the newest graphics chips, DDR 5 or 7 memory, Direct X 12 or 13, SSDD drives, 8+ core processor or duel 8+ core cpu's, new mainboards with the newest chipsets, and most likely they newest Blue-ray drives, and all the time in the world to test and tweak the lastest and greatest.
By the time, everyone will be ready to upgrade. Sony will most likely be making a profit. And if Sony wants to keep their remaining market share, they will also have to update their console. It all depends if the PC sector of hardware is dominating the market again.
The only down side to that theory is Sony could upgrade their console a few years after Microsoft, and pull the same stunt.
Out with the old, in with the new. PC gaming is the best!! Game on http://www.cdfreaks.com/jochem/../im...s/5/agreed.gif New technology is awesome!
Edit: I forgot, Intel just release their 8 core. It's the Core i7 cpu, and it is smoking fast. Good bye AMD, see yea!
Developers haven't come close to utilising the Cell architectures abilities.
I totally agree. But what Sony can not do is change the hardware that is already incorporated in the PS3. They expect to utilize the Cell cpu and that's great. But what they will be limited on is the memory, psu, mainboard, graphics chip, hdd & blue-ray controllers, basically the rest of the whole system. They will not be able to raise voltages, tweak resisters, overclock the graphics, add better cooling on older consoles, or even add to the already bought systems to be able to implant tweaks to improve the system if the Cell cpu coding requires it. What I am saying is they are limited to what they already have, and if they spent over 5 years developing, coding, and writing software for that console, I believe they are close to their limits. But that is just my opinion.
Their Cell is only going to stay on top for only so long. With the Intel Quad Cores maturing and 8 to 12+ cores are a year or two away, I believe Sony will not be able to use their same Cell in their next system and expect to be able to compete.
Microsoft implanted proven technology, the 3 cores on 1 die cpu is powerful enough to last them. They have a great looking and powerful graphics chip.While Sony is still using their old psu, memory, graphics, direct X 9, main boards, 5400 rpm HDD's, old generation Blue-ray, and the old chipset for everything else. Microsoft will be rolling out the latest hardware, with the newest graphics chips, DDR 5 or 7 memory, Direct X 12 or 13, SSDD drives, 8+ core processor or duel 8+ core cpu's, new mainboards with the newest chipsets, and most likely they newest Blue-ray drives, and all the time in the world to test and tweak the lastest and greatest.
By the time, everyone will be ready to upgrade. Sony will most likely be making a profit. And if Sony wants to keep their remaining market share, they will also have to update their console. It all depends if the PC sector of hardware is dominating the market again.
The only down side to that theory is Sony could upgrade their console a few years after Microsoft, and pull the same stunt.
Out with the old, in with the new. PC gaming is the best!! Game on http://www.cdfreaks.com/jochem/../im...s/5/agreed.gif New technology is awesome!
Edit: I forgot, Intel just release their 8 core. It's the Core i7 cpu, and it is smoking fast. Good bye AMD, see yea!
There is a limit to how much you can multi-thread applications (aka games) which is why the super-computing industry is very concerned atm ...
CPU manufacturers are no longer focussing on speeding up chips, but are focussed on parralleling & tweaking existing chips .. which is completely at odds with what the rest of the world needs.
Eventually, adding extra cores will have little, or even negligible, improvement over a CPU with less cores - 4 cores is really the limit for most desktop users, and 8 cores will possibly be the limit for high-end applications. Webservers can always do with more cores, of course - Eventually, having many cores will result in each core competing with eachother for data access, which will actually slow the system down.
There is a reason why high end computing is basing their new server clusters on the CELL architecture ... it's damn fast .. it's power consumption is bugger all ... and it does the shebang with very little ram. The floating point performance of the Core CPU mops the floor with the competition - all that, with bugger all ram & power consumption.
While Sony can't upgrade their PS3 console (for compatability with older consoles) they don't have to ... that is the point I'm making.
The improvements to the new consoles will be lower power consumption and/or cooler operation, reduced size, and miscellaneous additions like extra USB ports, or Esata connectivity, or incidental things not relating to the core functionality.
CPU manufacturers are no longer focussing on speeding up chips, but are focussed on parralleling & tweaking existing chips .. which is completely at odds with what the rest of the world needs.
Eventually, adding extra cores will have little, or even negligible, improvement over a CPU with less cores - 4 cores is really the limit for most desktop users, and 8 cores will possibly be the limit for high-end applications. Webservers can always do with more cores, of course - Eventually, having many cores will result in each core competing with eachother for data access, which will actually slow the system down.
There is a reason why high end computing is basing their new server clusters on the CELL architecture ... it's damn fast .. it's power consumption is bugger all ... and it does the shebang with very little ram. The floating point performance of the Core CPU mops the floor with the competition - all that, with bugger all ram & power consumption.
While Sony can't upgrade their PS3 console (for compatability with older consoles) they don't have to ... that is the point I'm making.
The improvements to the new consoles will be lower power consumption and/or cooler operation, reduced size, and miscellaneous additions like extra USB ports, or Esata connectivity, or incidental things not relating to the core functionality.
"Their Cell is only going to stay on top for only so long. With the Intel Quad Cores maturing and 8 to 12+ cores are a year or two away, I believe Sony will not be able to use their same Cell in their next system and expect to be able to compete"
You are comparing apples to oranges here. The intel cpu's are general purpose cpu's that are good at all around tasks. They are like the jack of all trades in the cpu buisness. They have a well rounded FPU and all that junk. This is because for the many different applications that they are used for, the cpu needs to be able to handle all the different processes well while the cell on the other hand only needs to do games. This means you can strip away some funcuality for better performance elsewere. This can be proven when you try and run linux on the PS3. It's slow. But when it comes to handeling games that is what your going to get at. Remember when the PS3 got the @home folding application? Remember what happened to the numbers of protiens folded after thousands of ps3's were used to fold? The number of protiens folded doubled in less than a month. This was after years of processing done by many people with many multi core systems. So it's an apples to apples comparison your making about the cpu's
Also the 8 core I7 is not out yet and wont be until at least mid next year.
http://www.hardforum.com/http://club.myce.com/showthread.php?p=1033469379#post1033469379
Please actually read up on this stuff before you talk
http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=osstats
This is the stats for folding. Look at the amount of cpu's used. Now look at the amount of ps3's used. With 4+ times the amount of cpu's than the PS3 the cpu produces 1/6th the amount of teraflops as the PS3 does. The only thing that beats the PS3 in processing is GPU's
You are comparing apples to oranges here. The intel cpu's are general purpose cpu's that are good at all around tasks. They are like the jack of all trades in the cpu buisness. They have a well rounded FPU and all that junk. This is because for the many different applications that they are used for, the cpu needs to be able to handle all the different processes well while the cell on the other hand only needs to do games. This means you can strip away some funcuality for better performance elsewere. This can be proven when you try and run linux on the PS3. It's slow. But when it comes to handeling games that is what your going to get at. Remember when the PS3 got the @home folding application? Remember what happened to the numbers of protiens folded after thousands of ps3's were used to fold? The number of protiens folded doubled in less than a month. This was after years of processing done by many people with many multi core systems. So it's an apples to apples comparison your making about the cpu's
Also the 8 core I7 is not out yet and wont be until at least mid next year.
http://www.hardforum.com/http://club.myce.com/showthread.php?p=1033469379#post1033469379
Please actually read up on this stuff before you talk
http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=osstats
This is the stats for folding. Look at the amount of cpu's used. Now look at the amount of ps3's used. With 4+ times the amount of cpu's than the PS3 the cpu produces 1/6th the amount of teraflops as the PS3 does. The only thing that beats the PS3 in processing is GPU's
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I have a PS3 and i use like a Big Mediacenter and as a Digital Videorecorder DVB-T using is PlayTV tuner.....
I have a X-Box 360 and i can say a thing, the game of this console
are Free only the cost of the empty DVD+R DL and this is the very
important thing FREE GAME
I have a X-Box 360 and i can say a thing, the game of this console
are Free only the cost of the empty DVD+R DL and this is the very
important thing FREE GAME
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Here is more proven FACTS! It is not looking good for Sony.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...8yHQAD960Q0MG1
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...8yHQAD960Q0MG1
That news pretty much is the story for all companies atm 
Nothing special there ... and it's not related solely to PS3 either.
Nothing special there ... and it's not related solely to PS3 either.
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I love my 360.
PS3= $$$$$$$ too much.
never like Play station.
Microsoft is the dominant point.
PS3= $$$$$$$ too much.
never like Play station.
Microsoft is the dominant point.
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Yes, everyone is struggling one way or another. But Nintendo Wii and the Microsoft 360 consoles are doing well with profit and predicted massive sales from analyzers from wall street. But Sony is losing massive amounts of money and the wall street predictions for the future looks grim for the PS3.
You can look the other way all you want Sony fan-boys. But at the end of the day, this is effecting your virtual reality game play due to the fact Sony and game manufactures do not have the capital (money) to dump into the PS3 anymore to do research to expand the console in this failing world economy. You can wait all you want, believe what you want to believe, but the facts are proving the PS3 is a sinking ship.
Nintendo and Microsoft will gain (and earned) even more market share this year, and Sony will be losing more that they can not afford to. The PS3 is proving to be failure, but history has not be written in stone yet. There is still time for Sony to turn it around, but it is looking very grim for them at this point.
I can't believe Sony let this happen to them. They had a Monopoly in the console market, they had it made. Sony risked it all by using experimental processors and expensive Blue-Ray drives into their consoles to try to gain market share for their other patents. This in turn making their fan boys look like (guinea pigs) to pay expensive prices so they can force even more expensive products in the future. I think Sony thought they could use their past 'fan-boy' backing as an advantage to force their expensive and unneeded products into the market place. They killed HD DVD, but they might have also killed themselves in the process.
We need competition in the 'hard core' video game hardware market, not a 'run a way' from one from one company. All of this is just my opinion, of course.
You can look the other way all you want Sony fan-boys. But at the end of the day, this is effecting your virtual reality game play due to the fact Sony and game manufactures do not have the capital (money) to dump into the PS3 anymore to do research to expand the console in this failing world economy. You can wait all you want, believe what you want to believe, but the facts are proving the PS3 is a sinking ship.
Nintendo and Microsoft will gain (and earned) even more market share this year, and Sony will be losing more that they can not afford to. The PS3 is proving to be failure, but history has not be written in stone yet. There is still time for Sony to turn it around, but it is looking very grim for them at this point.
I can't believe Sony let this happen to them. They had a Monopoly in the console market, they had it made. Sony risked it all by using experimental processors and expensive Blue-Ray drives into their consoles to try to gain market share for their other patents. This in turn making their fan boys look like (guinea pigs) to pay expensive prices so they can force even more expensive products in the future. I think Sony thought they could use their past 'fan-boy' backing as an advantage to force their expensive and unneeded products into the market place. They killed HD DVD, but they might have also killed themselves in the process.
We need competition in the 'hard core' video game hardware market, not a 'run a way' from one from one company. All of this is just my opinion, of course.
"You can look the other way all you want Sony fan-boys."
go home child!!
the fact is microsoft is in as much trouble as sony, even with the amount of consoles sold!! their RRod has cost them too much, so they still will not break even in this gen!
aww, did i burst your bubble wayne? fact is, its you that is the fan boy by coming on here and coming out with drivel like the above sentence!!
as for your rubbish about the bluray drive, its still alot better than the dvd drive in the 360! it means that the devs get to put on more media onto the ps3, rather than a dose of disc swapping! if the 360 had put in a internal HD-DVD drive from the start, that format would have definately beaten bluray, so you could say it was microsoft that failed the format?
I have nothing personally against the 360, its a good console, apart from its ability to break down!
can i also point out that there are still alot of ps2 owners that still to upgrade their consoles, so may the best console win!!
go home child!!
the fact is microsoft is in as much trouble as sony, even with the amount of consoles sold!! their RRod has cost them too much, so they still will not break even in this gen!
aww, did i burst your bubble wayne? fact is, its you that is the fan boy by coming on here and coming out with drivel like the above sentence!!
as for your rubbish about the bluray drive, its still alot better than the dvd drive in the 360! it means that the devs get to put on more media onto the ps3, rather than a dose of disc swapping! if the 360 had put in a internal HD-DVD drive from the start, that format would have definately beaten bluray, so you could say it was microsoft that failed the format?
I have nothing personally against the 360, its a good console, apart from its ability to break down!
can i also point out that there are still alot of ps2 owners that still to upgrade their consoles, so may the best console win!!
*originally posted by Steve119*
can I also point out that there are still alot of ps2 owners that still to upgrade their consoles, so may the best console win! *
And if Sony were bright enough to bring back decent PS2 compatibility [like all the original PAL consoles, via software emulation] many of those PS fanboys would buy a PS3 and sell their old PS2 .. thereby doubling the PS2 games market, and increasing the potential PS3 & Bluray market http://www.cdfreaks.com/jochem/../im...ies/2/wink.gif
can I also point out that there are still alot of ps2 owners that still to upgrade their consoles, so may the best console win! *
And if Sony were bright enough to bring back decent PS2 compatibility [like all the original PAL consoles, via software emulation] many of those PS fanboys would buy a PS3 and sell their old PS2 .. thereby doubling the PS2 games market, and increasing the potential PS3 & Bluray market http://www.cdfreaks.com/jochem/../im...ies/2/wink.gif
So many pro-M$ people uneducated with basic economy skills.
One day you'll learn that the number of sold consoles does not reflect success, especially so only 2-3 years into a console existence. Only the economic model of the Wii can claim such feat as every console is a profit, unlike M$ and Sony.
And for your information, M$ loses huge amounts of money on every X360 sold, even more than Sony and they try to make up for it by selling games..except the X360 security is poor and is being pirated more and more which means M$ is not gaining anything from those pirated games.
M$ is in as much trouble as Sony and it's not only due to their consoles, but the whole business world.
The day Sony lowers its PS3 price and announces the PS2 software compatibility they have been working on secretely, the X360 will start feeling the pain hardcore.
Don't underestimate the PS2 owner/fanbase.
One day you'll learn that the number of sold consoles does not reflect success, especially so only 2-3 years into a console existence. Only the economic model of the Wii can claim such feat as every console is a profit, unlike M$ and Sony.
And for your information, M$ loses huge amounts of money on every X360 sold, even more than Sony and they try to make up for it by selling games..except the X360 security is poor and is being pirated more and more which means M$ is not gaining anything from those pirated games.
M$ is in as much trouble as Sony and it's not only due to their consoles, but the whole business world.
The day Sony lowers its PS3 price and announces the PS2 software compatibility they have been working on secretely, the X360 will start feeling the pain hardcore.
Don't underestimate the PS2 owner/fanbase.
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Thats because Nintendo woke up !!! Auto replen they control what get's sent out thats it No more ordering as that leads to Overstock and product ending up having no value!!! Thats the apple way of doing business = Make people line up and beg for it..Every Retailer in north america is on their NAR program ( Nintendo Auto Replen) program anyone no on it is not selling Nintendo product. Only the European and Asian Retailers can order and why would Nintendo allow this?? Well most countries have very strict returns NO FRIKIN refunds!!! untill US retailers stop allowing morons who can't even change a light bulb using products for free then return them for money back Nintendo will never allow any US retailer to order any of their products!!!!!!!
And if you work in a Electronics retailer like I do tell the truth don't be a lame ass and tell customers you are sold out because that's BS and you know that. I am telling our customers the truth we are stuck on auto replen and this is the third year now..
And if you work in a Electronics retailer like I do tell the truth don't be a lame ass and tell customers you are sold out because that's BS and you know that. I am telling our customers the truth we are stuck on auto replen and this is the third year now..
er....coolios, i'm lost! what has this post to do with this thread?
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It has everything to do with this thread I don't like Sony myself personally but Sony would of been in a better shape if they told the US retailers when they released the PS3 years ago sorry we are pulling a Nintendo AUTO replen ordering only 5 units each time when you sell those I will send you more!!!
So if you really think about Nintendo got it right.
One example is the Auto industry fat cats making big ass gas hogs here while the same damn cars in the uk or europe get double the gas mileage
Too much production killed sony NOT THEIR PRICE!!!!!!!!!
So if you really think about Nintendo got it right.
One example is the Auto industry fat cats making big ass gas hogs here while the same damn cars in the uk or europe get double the gas mileage
Too much production killed sony NOT THEIR PRICE!!!!!!!!!
I see what you are saying now but I disagree with part of your statement, it is killing them, not killed yet though! we've got to remember its still early days just now as there are still millions of ps2 owners that will make the move once the ps3 goes down in price.
however, if the price drop that is immenent doesn't work in sony's favour then every 360 owner can rightly lay back and say 'I told you so'
however, if the price drop that is immenent doesn't work in sony's favour then every 360 owner can rightly lay back and say 'I told you so'
Let's be honest here, even if the drop in price doesn't boost sales by 100%+ in favor of the PS3, it's still selling more than the X360 in Japan & Europe in the same time frame.
The only country where the X360 is ahead is US, its home AND because it came out on the market first.
Never forget the X360 had a one year headstart on the PS3.
It's easy to twist or forget facts or even label them as secondary. They are not.
The only country where the X360 is ahead is US, its home AND because it came out on the market first.
Never forget the X360 had a one year headstart on the PS3.
It's easy to twist or forget facts or even label them as secondary. They are not.
If the price drops below $600au, i'm getting a ps3 for my parents to go with their shiny new hdtv. It's a great little entertaiment system, playing divx, dvd's & most importantly bluray. I'm 99% sure they won't be playing games on it, but who kn If xbox fanboys really hated ps3, they should buy a ps3 & never use it, or even just download all the free demo's and trailors, which will drive up sony's costs. Or are they afraid they might like it? It only seems kinky the first time, I promise
to go with their shiny new hdtv. It's a great little entertaiment system, playing divx, dvd's & most importantly bluray. I'm 99% sure they won't be playing games on it, but who kn If xbox fanboys really hated ps3, they should buy a ps3 & never use it, or even just download all the free demo's and trailors, which will drive up sony's costs. Or are they afraid they might like it? It only seems kinky the first time, I promise 
Lots of posts on this one. I own all three. The PS3 was last to join my collection due mainly to price. The lack of game titles was dissapointing too. I mainly bought it to watch blu ray movies. I play more ps2 games on the ps3 than the ps3 games do to the lack of titles. If sony wants to pull out of this they need some major game releases
@hax0rth0r,
ok, I could understand your post if this was this point in time last year, but theres tons of games now! its a bit of a lame excuse really!
ok, I could understand your post if this was this point in time last year, but theres tons of games now! its a bit of a lame excuse really!
@hax0rth0r
How can you possibly imply there are no games. Every game over Chistmas bar Gears of War 2, and Left 4 Dead came out for the Ps3 and Xbox360 jointly.
How can you possibly imply there are no games. Every game over Chistmas bar Gears of War 2, and Left 4 Dead came out for the Ps3 and Xbox360 jointly.
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Lets cut the crap. These are the facts:
The xbox 360 is by far the best for games selection and quality. I notice some people harp on about the Star Wars game looking better on ps3 - thats one game! Safe to say 90% of games released for both systems look better on 360. If that reason is because programmers haven't spent the time to learn the ps3 then that is little consolation I'm afraid and a bad design flaw on Sony's behalf. If programmers find it too hard to get the best out of it then ps3 games will also be below the 360 graphic quality.
PS3 is still a quality product and definitely the most versatile and reliable of the two. However, I would prefer to buy the best games machine - the xbox 360 and a better quality Blu-ray player, such as a Pioneer.
Sony's best hope of gaining ground would be to have the PS3 security cracked so we can play with that hard drive and what goes on it. All full crack, like the original Xbox.
The xbox 360 is by far the best for games selection and quality. I notice some people harp on about the Star Wars game looking better on ps3 - thats one game! Safe to say 90% of games released for both systems look better on 360. If that reason is because programmers haven't spent the time to learn the ps3 then that is little consolation I'm afraid and a bad design flaw on Sony's behalf. If programmers find it too hard to get the best out of it then ps3 games will also be below the 360 graphic quality.
PS3 is still a quality product and definitely the most versatile and reliable of the two. However, I would prefer to buy the best games machine - the xbox 360 and a better quality Blu-ray player, such as a Pioneer.
Sony's best hope of gaining ground would be to have the PS3 security cracked so we can play with that hard drive and what goes on it. All full crack, like the original Xbox.
'Safe to say 90% of games released for both systems look better on 360. If that reason is because programmers haven't spent the time to learn the ps3 then that is little consolation I'm afraid and a bad design flaw on Sony's behalf. If programmers find it too hard to get the best out of it then ps3 games will also be below the 360 graphic quality'
this is your opinion!! I cannot tell the difference in the games since at the beginning of 2008 that came out for both systems! this is my personal opinion!
as for your 'better quality blu-ray player', its very well known that the ps3 is the best bluray player out, so your attempt to make the ps3 look bad, has made you look pretty stupid.
please feel free to come back though when you've wisened up!!
this is your opinion!! I cannot tell the difference in the games since at the beginning of 2008 that came out for both systems! this is my personal opinion!
as for your 'better quality blu-ray player', its very well known that the ps3 is the best bluray player out, so your attempt to make the ps3 look bad, has made you look pretty stupid.
please feel free to come back though when you've wisened up!!
Graphics are a subjective as each individual eyes and tastes are different, so your facts are just mere preferences. If you take the objective approach which is pure numbers and graphical technics included in the software, then both consoles have been exactly the same for the last 12 months to the point even a trained eye cannot tell the difference when playing.
Game devs on X360 had a one year head start, but now they are at the limit of the X360 hardware capabilities while the PS3 still has a few things in its core. Light management and AI are some of those things you can experience in Killzone 2 coming out today that blow away anything done on X360 up to now.
PS3 is a long term investment, X360 is short to medium. You pay less now, but to get to PS3 multimedia capability, you have to pay more than the PS3 itself and on top of that in 2 years tops you can shelve your X360 because you'll have to buy the X720 (or whatever name they come up with).
The X360 was the "best" games machine over a year ago, now it's the same as PS3 or slightly worse with a shameful hardware. Its only saving grave is its price. If the PS3 was the same price, everyone would have taken it, exsept maybe a few Halo and Gears of War 2 desperate fans.
Also, you are making one last false statement. You seem to believe stand-alone Blu-Ray players are better than the PS3. This is completely wrong, the PS3 is still the best Blu-Ray player on the market, even more so with its ability to be updated through the PS3 firmware.
To sum it up, none of your facts are worth anything aside from stating your personnal preferences.
Game devs on X360 had a one year head start, but now they are at the limit of the X360 hardware capabilities while the PS3 still has a few things in its core. Light management and AI are some of those things you can experience in Killzone 2 coming out today that blow away anything done on X360 up to now.
PS3 is a long term investment, X360 is short to medium. You pay less now, but to get to PS3 multimedia capability, you have to pay more than the PS3 itself and on top of that in 2 years tops you can shelve your X360 because you'll have to buy the X720 (or whatever name they come up with).
The X360 was the "best" games machine over a year ago, now it's the same as PS3 or slightly worse with a shameful hardware. Its only saving grave is its price. If the PS3 was the same price, everyone would have taken it, exsept maybe a few Halo and Gears of War 2 desperate fans.
Also, you are making one last false statement. You seem to believe stand-alone Blu-Ray players are better than the PS3. This is completely wrong, the PS3 is still the best Blu-Ray player on the market, even more so with its ability to be updated through the PS3 firmware.
To sum it up, none of your facts are worth anything aside from stating your personnal preferences.
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- Posted on: 03 Mar 09 04:31
You know steveo119, you can put cherries and whipped cream on crap, but you still end up with a turd when you lick off the good stuff. You can also try to tweak someone else's wording in a post to try to 'pretend' to be someone (or something) you really are not. I see a possible "little big man" syndrome going on here with you.
The facts show that the majority of console gamers perfer the 360. Considering Microsoft had hardware issues in the past and gave awesome customer service to those effected (most of the customers), why are they still on top? How could they possibly still be on top if Microsoft is as bad as your telling people? Obviously you are not a part of that majority for reasons that are your own, and I can guess you do not own a 360. Microsoft just out sold the Nintendo in Japan, and Sony is still dwindling lower and lower in sales every month. I would be more than 'willing' to provide you non bias links PROVING my statements.
Please prove me wrong! Please link me a non Sony related link that proves Sony is doing well with the PS3. Don't link any Sony P.R. this....and Sony promises that links. Game manufactures that are exclusive only to Sony are also considered bias. Please link me some non bias articles 'little big man', prove me wrong. Awwwwww, too bad, you can't link any...because there aren't none!!
I see Sony just released an exclusive title last week that is getting good reviews. That makes it about 6 to 8 good titles in the past 12 months. I guess that is the right 'step', in the right direction. Do you call that progress? I call it an imbarrassment, considering what they have accomplished with the PS2.
PC gaming rules! Frag on!
The facts show that the majority of console gamers perfer the 360. Considering Microsoft had hardware issues in the past and gave awesome customer service to those effected (most of the customers), why are they still on top? How could they possibly still be on top if Microsoft is as bad as your telling people? Obviously you are not a part of that majority for reasons that are your own, and I can guess you do not own a 360. Microsoft just out sold the Nintendo in Japan, and Sony is still dwindling lower and lower in sales every month. I would be more than 'willing' to provide you non bias links PROVING my statements.
Please prove me wrong! Please link me a non Sony related link that proves Sony is doing well with the PS3. Don't link any Sony P.R. this....and Sony promises that links. Game manufactures that are exclusive only to Sony are also considered bias. Please link me some non bias articles 'little big man', prove me wrong. Awwwwww, too bad, you can't link any...because there aren't none!!
I see Sony just released an exclusive title last week that is getting good reviews. That makes it about 6 to 8 good titles in the past 12 months. I guess that is the right 'step', in the right direction. Do you call that progress? I call it an imbarrassment, considering what they have accomplished with the PS2.
PC gaming rules! Frag on!
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- Posted on: 03 Mar 09 05:24
Has anyone tried the latest expansion for Grand Theft Auto? It is supported on the PC and the 360. Oops, sorry PS3 owners...guess it was too much of a pain and to expensive to release it for Sony's console.
Get my point? I'm not trying to be rude eighter, just getting my point across. The PC rules, I.M.H.O..
Get my point? I'm not trying to be rude eighter, just getting my point across. The PC rules, I.M.H.O..
Oooohhh ... Kaaaayyy ....
So now that you've come off sounding like a rebellious12yr old child that's had some one muddy his new shoes ... and flamed another user ... and admitted that you spend time simulating shagging prostitutes & then beating them to death, and stealing cars .... We're all swayed by your persuasive arguments of why Xbox360 is better than the technologically superior contender, which is garnering many new exclusive titles and enjoying the simultaneous release of many other titles.
The Xbox360 is OBVIOUSLY a superior console in both the "games for adolescents", and "persuading cheap bastards to buy it" categories, which of course constitutes 90% of the market, versus the conservative, mature niche http://www.cdfreaks.com/jochem/../im...ies/2/wink.gif
What on Earth were PS3 owners/supporters thinking?
Thank you for enlightening us all, in not just a single derogatory post, but backing up with a well grounded second post, including persuasive irony even a 3yr old can understand http://www.cdfreaks.com/jochem/../im...s/5/agreed.gif
From now on, I'm using my PS3 for a paperweight, and am now running down to the store to buy an Xbox360 so I can experience all the fun of outdated graphics, RROD & Scratched DVD's http://www.cdfreaks.com/jochem/../im...s/5/agreed.gif
Consoles are much easier to deal with than PC's.
The wonderul thing about consoles is that after 3 years, you don't need a completely new system - they last 10years http://www.cdfreaks.com/jochem/../im...s/5/agreed.gif
Oops, Sorry.. with Xbox, you do.
My eternal apologies. Only Playstations have a planned 8-10 year product life.
Get my point? I'm not trying to be rude, just getting my point across. I have a PC. I occasionally use it to stream content to my PS3, and play many games.
No expressed opinion is humble. If you truly considered it humble, you wouldn't express it in the first place.
Try not to use IMHO again. Use IMO.
So now that you've come off sounding like a rebellious12yr old child that's had some one muddy his new shoes ... and flamed another user ... and admitted that you spend time simulating shagging prostitutes & then beating them to death, and stealing cars .... We're all swayed by your persuasive arguments of why Xbox360 is better than the technologically superior contender, which is garnering many new exclusive titles and enjoying the simultaneous release of many other titles.
The Xbox360 is OBVIOUSLY a superior console in both the "games for adolescents", and "persuading cheap bastards to buy it" categories, which of course constitutes 90% of the market, versus the conservative, mature niche http://www.cdfreaks.com/jochem/../im...ies/2/wink.gif
What on Earth were PS3 owners/supporters thinking?
Thank you for enlightening us all, in not just a single derogatory post, but backing up with a well grounded second post, including persuasive irony even a 3yr old can understand http://www.cdfreaks.com/jochem/../im...s/5/agreed.gif
From now on, I'm using my PS3 for a paperweight, and am now running down to the store to buy an Xbox360 so I can experience all the fun of outdated graphics, RROD & Scratched DVD's http://www.cdfreaks.com/jochem/../im...s/5/agreed.gif
Consoles are much easier to deal with than PC's.
The wonderul thing about consoles is that after 3 years, you don't need a completely new system - they last 10years http://www.cdfreaks.com/jochem/../im...s/5/agreed.gif
Oops, Sorry.. with Xbox, you do.
My eternal apologies. Only Playstations have a planned 8-10 year product life.
Get my point? I'm not trying to be rude, just getting my point across. I have a PC. I occasionally use it to stream content to my PS3, and play many games.
No expressed opinion is humble. If you truly considered it humble, you wouldn't express it in the first place.
Try not to use IMHO again. Use IMO.
I'm 5ft 10" thanks! with size 10 feet!http://www.cdfreaks.com/jochem/../im...ies/2/puh2.gif
'PC gaming rules! Frag on!'
of course it does.....pfft! PC gaming has been dying on its feet for years, as the problem is that graphic crards need to be changed every 10-15 month to keep up with the highest settings for the games! its a nich'e market!
how much did MS pay GTA to make the DLC exclusive again?
you're spouting crap again me thinks!!
wheres your source for the japan sales?
last of all, there are people on here that like sony less than you, and even they say that the ps3 isn't sinking!
kindof shows your mentality doesn't it???
'PC gaming rules! Frag on!'
of course it does.....pfft! PC gaming has been dying on its feet for years, as the problem is that graphic crards need to be changed every 10-15 month to keep up with the highest settings for the games! its a nich'e market!
how much did MS pay GTA to make the DLC exclusive again?
you're spouting crap again me thinks!!
wheres your source for the japan sales?
last of all, there are people on here that like sony less than you, and even they say that the ps3 isn't sinking!
kindof shows your mentality doesn't it???
Microsoft paid 50M dollars to keep GTAIV DL content on X360 and PC only.
Just stop trying, you discredited yourself two times already. You are mixing personnal opinion, hear say and non-existent facts to try to come up with a weak argumentation which the people with a brain here will destroy with real facts.
And if I may add, you are short minded and probably an US citizen because otherwise you'd know US is the only country in the world where the X360 has a significant lead, everywhere else the X360 is either toe to toe or very far behind.
That said I also like PC gaming more than console, but that's not the point.
Just stop trying, you discredited yourself two times already. You are mixing personnal opinion, hear say and non-existent facts to try to come up with a weak argumentation which the people with a brain here will destroy with real facts.
And if I may add, you are short minded and probably an US citizen because otherwise you'd know US is the only country in the world where the X360 has a significant lead, everywhere else the X360 is either toe to toe or very far behind.
That said I also like PC gaming more than console, but that's not the point.
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- Posted on: 04 Mar 09 00:48
I don't think the PS3 will take Sony down (not directly, anyway), but BluRay might. Sony paid half a billion dollars to the major movie studiios to release movies on BluRay only, plus artificially jacked up the price of the PS3 by including a BluRay player in it. I think this comination may be Sony's demise.
@compuser -> "Sony paid $500Million to major movie studios to release on Blu-Ray Only"
Really? Do you have a source for that?
Somehow, I doubt that Sony will regret releasing PS3's with the winning High Definition format drive - It's spurred preliminary sales of Bluray, and the PS3 is (still) the best Bluray player available - and for a 8yr product lifespan, DVD really just can't cut it, for data storage.
They really had the following choices ... admit defeat on bluray & incorporate HD-DVD drives, or just put in Bluray - which they were championing anyway.
The world will be in a terribly sad state if Research & Development ever consists of making current technology stretch further - like HD-DVD.
Getting the most out of existing technology is a kludge, a patch-up until you discover something better.
HD-DVD was an extension of DVD ... DVD was an extension of CD.
Really? Do you have a source for that?
Somehow, I doubt that Sony will regret releasing PS3's with the winning High Definition format drive - It's spurred preliminary sales of Bluray, and the PS3 is (still) the best Bluray player available - and for a 8yr product lifespan, DVD really just can't cut it, for data storage.
They really had the following choices ... admit defeat on bluray & incorporate HD-DVD drives, or just put in Bluray - which they were championing anyway.
The world will be in a terribly sad state if Research & Development ever consists of making current technology stretch further - like HD-DVD.
Getting the most out of existing technology is a kludge, a patch-up until you discover something better.
HD-DVD was an extension of DVD ... DVD was an extension of CD.
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- Posted on: 07 Mar 09 03:41
Really? Sony's PS3 lasted 10 years? Wow, how time flies. <--sarcasm. Ok now, thanks for Sony's prediction. You must believe everything Sony corperation says. Like how dominate they are, and how their processor would revolutionize how the world turns. LOL...what a joke.
Lets wait and see, when Microsoft rolls out their new console I bet Sony will have no choice but to follow. I guarantee they are already planning their next console, just like Microsoft.
Lets wait and see, when Microsoft rolls out their new console I bet Sony will have no choice but to follow. I guarantee they are already planning their next console, just like Microsoft.
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- Posted on: 07 Mar 09 03:41
Really? Sony's PS3 lasted 10 years? Wow, how time flies. <--sarcasm. Ok now, thanks for Sony's prediction. You must believe everything Sony corperation says. Like how dominate they are, and how their processor would revolutionize how the world turns. LOL...what a joke.
Lets wait and see, when Microsoft rolls out their new console I bet Sony will have no choice but to follow. I guarantee they are already planning their next console, just like Microsoft.
Lets wait and see, when Microsoft rolls out their new console I bet Sony will have no choice but to follow. I guarantee they are already planning their next console, just like Microsoft.
i'll have whatever you're smoking dude, where did anyone say that the PS3 has lasted 10 years? I've read the last 6 posts and can't find that in there anywhere so learn to read!
you're not doing yourself any favours so i'd stop now frankly. theres people in here that can have a good debate with and not resort to childish remarks, and out of the air comments without sources. I'll only take you seriously once you register.
BTW you are truely an idiot. the scientists are using the CELL processor due to its processing power and gamers can leave the ps3 on to do calculations to aid the scientists to for medical research. Sony don't tell us this, the journalists do!
there are even those who truly do not like sony at all on this site(you know who you are) that even admit that the CELL processor is a work of art. so as i have said before in this post, i'd stop now if i was you.
you're not doing yourself any favours so i'd stop now frankly. theres people in here that can have a good debate with and not resort to childish remarks, and out of the air comments without sources. I'll only take you seriously once you register.
BTW you are truely an idiot. the scientists are using the CELL processor due to its processing power and gamers can leave the ps3 on to do calculations to aid the scientists to for medical research. Sony don't tell us this, the journalists do!
there are even those who truly do not like sony at all on this site(you know who you are) that even admit that the CELL processor is a work of art. so as i have said before in this post, i'd stop now if i was you.
a source or two for you to read wayne!
http://www.itexaminer.com/scientists...ack-holes.aspx
http://folding.stanford.edu/
(this is what the PS3 comes with as standard to help the scientists look for cures)
http://www.itexaminer.com/scientists...ack-holes.aspx
http://folding.stanford.edu/
(this is what the PS3 comes with as standard to help the scientists look for cures)
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- Posted on: 07 Mar 09 21:23
Everyone knows the CELL processor is good at doing one task, and that is crunching numbers. It is not good at controlling computer hardware like graphic cards or the coding to convert the left over CPU power (cycles) into graphics, because the architecture with in the chip was not designed to do so.
So what some people do is jimmy rig PS3's together to have a ghetto system that does one task effectually and cheaply, "crunching numbers", like a super calculator. That is the only thing the CELL processor is good at. You start making it do other tasks in a computer, and it does not look so impressive anymore. Writing new code or software does help to make it more efficient, but there are limits, and they might have already reached those limits.
So yeah, if using applications like Folding at Home, Super PI, or other apps that are meant to 'crunch numbers', the CELL would be the cheapest solution. There are faster solutions out now, the CELL is aging, 5 years is along time in the computer world.
So what some people do is jimmy rig PS3's together to have a ghetto system that does one task effectually and cheaply, "crunching numbers", like a super calculator. That is the only thing the CELL processor is good at. You start making it do other tasks in a computer, and it does not look so impressive anymore. Writing new code or software does help to make it more efficient, but there are limits, and they might have already reached those limits.
So yeah, if using applications like Folding at Home, Super PI, or other apps that are meant to 'crunch numbers', the CELL would be the cheapest solution. There are faster solutions out now, the CELL is aging, 5 years is along time in the computer world.
I will point out that graphics (gaming) is very heavy number crunching, and the same with multimedia, which is what the cell processor was designed for - it doesn't need to control other discrete hardware.
The Cell processor sucks as a general CPU, because it wasn't designed for it. And vice versa, intel/amd x86 CPU's were not designed for multimedia or graphics crunching.
In the end, Microsoft has an unit hobbled together from many discrete parts, which will cause extra expense later down the track (or gets ditched for a new model), while sony has a serious multimedia crunching monster, which is practically a system on a chip solution which will only get cheaper as manufacturing technology improves, and the die size shrinks (and additional number crunching units can be added internally as required for other uses).
And yes, there are faster solutions out now, but not for what the Cell was designed for - Consumer Multimedia, and somehow I doubt the average consumer will pay $20million dollars for a 10cubic metre cray computer so they can watch bluray movies, or play games.
The Cell processor sucks as a general CPU, because it wasn't designed for it. And vice versa, intel/amd x86 CPU's were not designed for multimedia or graphics crunching.
In the end, Microsoft has an unit hobbled together from many discrete parts, which will cause extra expense later down the track (or gets ditched for a new model), while sony has a serious multimedia crunching monster, which is practically a system on a chip solution which will only get cheaper as manufacturing technology improves, and the die size shrinks (and additional number crunching units can be added internally as required for other uses).
And yes, there are faster solutions out now, but not for what the Cell was designed for - Consumer Multimedia, and somehow I doubt the average consumer will pay $20million dollars for a 10cubic metre cray computer so they can watch bluray movies, or play games.
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- Posted on: 13 Mar 09 04:41
PS3 is definitely a waste. it may be better in the multimedia area. but that is not what a console is actually made for. games. sorry sony. you suck.
Oops, better tuck in your shirt, your ignorance is hanging out again.
Audio is media.
Video is media.
Interactive Content is media.
Multi = more than one.
Media = media.
Games are audio & video & interactive.
Therefore Games are Multimedia.
Of course, after your incredibly interesting, information rich, enlightening post everyone is entirely persuaded never to buy any Sony product for eternity.
My god! What were all those sony purchasers thinking?
Quick, all you sony fanboys, palm off your expensive Sony gear to some poor sucker on Ebay for a few dollars, so you can repurchase all your equipment at full retail price from superior chinese manufacturers! Beat the rush!
I know, as soon as I go home, I'm also scrapping all my CD's & DVD's which were also championed by Sony ... just in case ...
Oh woe is me! I've been buying inferior CD's and DVD's when I should have invested heavily in LP's all these years! So much time & money wasted ......
Your apology to sony, for saying they suck will keep me in fine shape. Apparently a good belly laugh is actually aerobic exercise ... in which case .. you've provided me with a weekly workout.
Heck .. I'm forwarding that post to the biggest losers .. maybe they can wrangle it into the show as one of the secret weapons or rewards or something.
Audio is media.
Video is media.
Interactive Content is media.
Multi = more than one.
Media = media.
Games are audio & video & interactive.
Therefore Games are Multimedia.
Of course, after your incredibly interesting, information rich, enlightening post everyone is entirely persuaded never to buy any Sony product for eternity.
My god! What were all those sony purchasers thinking?
Quick, all you sony fanboys, palm off your expensive Sony gear to some poor sucker on Ebay for a few dollars, so you can repurchase all your equipment at full retail price from superior chinese manufacturers! Beat the rush!
I know, as soon as I go home, I'm also scrapping all my CD's & DVD's which were also championed by Sony ... just in case ...
Oh woe is me! I've been buying inferior CD's and DVD's when I should have invested heavily in LP's all these years! So much time & money wasted ......
Your apology to sony, for saying they suck will keep me in fine shape. Apparently a good belly laugh is actually aerobic exercise ... in which case .. you've provided me with a weekly workout.
Heck .. I'm forwarding that post to the biggest losers .. maybe they can wrangle it into the show as one of the secret weapons or rewards or something.
X360 has all its leading titles out, PS3 is missing its 3 biggest, of course X360 will be top for the time being.
We'll be able to draw real conclusions once PS3 top titles have been out for a while.
We'll be able to draw real conclusions once PS3 top titles have been out for a while.
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