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25 May 06 11:46 by Seán Byrne in category Uncategorized To news archive

It looks like the days of buying second hand games will become a thing of the past for the PlayStation 3 if Sony has its way.  According to Games Radar, high street shops have been notified by Sony that it will be illegal for consumers to sell any games they buy for the upcoming PlayStation 3. 

Sony appears to be planning to introduce a licensing model that consumers would have to agree with in order to play these upcoming games.  The licensing plan would be that when a consumer purchases a PS3 game, they will be paying only for the right to play the game, but will not be entitled to sell it on as it will remain property of Sony. 

While Sony has not confirmed this, if this plan goes ahead, it will be bad news for consumers who try to cut costs by buying games second hand or selling off games they no longer use.  While this would give Sony extra sales by forcing consumers to buy their games new, retailers will also lose out as a good bulk of their profit comes from the sales of used games.  However, despite worries about Sony may also lock games to a given console, Sony Computer Entertainment Europe has clarified that their PS3 games will be playable on any PlayStation 3 games console. 

Update:  According to EuroGamer news, Sony has officially denied the report by GamesRader claiming that this is “false speculation” and that they have not conveyed any such messages to the retailers.  Apparently the report appears to have been based on an earlier rumour that Sony’s PS3 games would be bound to its PS3 consoles such that the games could only be played on one given console, however Sony also clarified that this would not be the case either.  However, according to EuroGamer, Sony is still keen on trying to fight off the second hand software market, particularly since a group of Japanese publisher’s attempts to help outlaw the used-software trade in Japan have failed. 

Thanks to both shimman and punan for letting us know about the following news:

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>High street games shops have been told by Sony that there will be no PS3 pre-owned sections in their stores as it will be illegal for customers to sell any next-gen PlayStation games that they’ve bought, retail sources have revealed to GamesRadar.

It seems that Sony is planning to adopt a licensing system that will mean gamers won’t own the PS3 titles that they’ve paid money for. Instead, they will only be purchasing the licence to play the game and that the software itself will still be Sony property – meaning that the disc won’t be the customer’s to sell.

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With how much Sony is subsidising the coming PlayStation 3, it seems like they are really trying to make sure that they recover the costs of the console.   For example, the last thing they want to see is someone buying a PS3 only to ever play second hand games on it.  However, the plan of banning used PS3 games is going overboard, as consumers may actually be put off buying certain games they are unsure about and cannot sell off later on. 

On the other hand, if Sony is worried about losing out on consumers potentially buying 2nd hand games for their subsidised console, it looks like they have not taken into account consumers who will likely buy a PS3 as a budget Blu-ray player with no intention of ever playing any games on it, considering the cheaper PS3 model will be going for half the cheapest dedicated Blu-ray player. 

Source: Games Radar

40 Comments

ominus
Posts: 49
Posted on: 25 May 06 11:49
its the new dark age boys and girls
weedougie
Posts: 1370
Posted on: 25 May 06 11:57
This may be unenforceable! Consumer rights are well protected in the EU and I don't think the courts will back Sony if it is correctly challenged. This may amount to an unfair contract! As for the rest of the world?
DBE
Posts: 27
Posted on: 25 May 06 12:00
F*** $ony <font size=1>Swear word removed
[edited by Se&aacute;n on 25.05.2006 13:58]
swifty7
Posts: 716
Posted on: 25 May 06 12:06
you know what? I was planning to buy a ps3 and now all I can say is that Sony can really go f**k themselves. I hope to God they loose the format war. Well!!! they just lost a customer. Sony I hope you die!!!! what the hell is wrong with them? do they really want to be universally hated?
[edited by swifty7 on 25.05.2006 12:08]
katastrofe
Posts: 116
Posted on: 25 May 06 12:09
They really are losign all that money on the consoles? Maybe microsoft should buy up all available stock and crush it!
Anthony1uk
Posts: 327
Posted on: 25 May 06 12:49
Pure scum!. Who the f*ck do these a**holes think they are. And i dont like the sound of this 'locking' thing. it sounds like XCP v2.
abuso
Posts: 2
Posted on: 25 May 06 13:02
(Guardian link) it seems Jennie Kong, UK PR Manager at SCEE told the Guardian that "this is false speculation and that PlayStation 3 software will not be copy protected to a single machine but will be playable on any PlayStation 3 console." [Link edited to correct page layout]
[edited by Se&aacute;n on 25.05.2006 13:57]
doug81b4u
Posts: 36
Posted on: 25 May 06 13:03
They just keep making my decision easier to go get my new 360 now. I have been holding off to see which console will be better. Everytime I read things like this I feel like cursing the new technology.
CORRSA
Posts: 295
Posted on: 25 May 06 13:58
wow all this bs and they have not even released the darn thing yet they really are showing how desperate they really are :d
tylau
Posts: 248
Posted on: 25 May 06 14:12
Oh boys, you are entitled to play the game but not own the expeience, it's belong to some high corp; feel the shaftings.
Bodygard
Posts: 28
Posted on: 25 May 06 14:19
Quote:
...they will be paying only for the right to play the game, but will not be entitled to sell it on as it will remain property of Sony.
You can be damn sure Sony that i'm paying for the game and not the right to play it and i would do whatever i want with it When i'm sick of it i will sell it :B Sony ARS*hol*es :r .. :r
Black Diamond
Posts: 453
Posted on: 25 May 06 14:54
Wouldn't want to try that stunt in Australia. Already had their arses kicked good and hard by the High Court when it was ruled perfectly legal for modchips to be installed.:S
ivid
Posts: 386
Posted on: 25 May 06 15:17
If this is true then.... $#^@%#^@%#^@%^# I will never buy a PS3 if this is true.
LoneWolf15
Posts: 298
Posted on: 25 May 06 15:29
I'll say this... It takes real stones to point a rocket launcher on your foot with the safety off. Hope you're not too shocked by the bill for all the red ink, Sony. Gamers aren't the simpleton sheep you think they are.
Babycakes
Posts: 2
Posted on: 25 May 06 15:47
"...they will be paying only for the right to play the game, but will not be entitled to sell it on as it will remain property of Sony." Well at least in Europe I can until now still sell whatever I bought. And if it is a right to play something, I can still sell this right to somebody else. And if cannot sell it again, well: then I won't even buy it and sony lost itself a potential customer. There is something they seem to forget (not only Sony, but all the entertainment industry): if we stop buying their products because they try to impose upon us whatever they want , they will simply go bankrupt. It's not not like they are selling bread and water. We don't need games, music or movies to survieve. But they need cusomers to survive. And I would advise them to recollect that memory quickly...
gogochar
Posts: 66
Posted on: 25 May 06 15:51
Sony has lost almost 16 customers already as I am telling my friends to stay away from Sony from now on. I have also asked them to pass it on and to keep spreading the word until the whole city of Louisville knows that they won't own a piece of the pie.
gogochar
Posts: 66
Posted on: 25 May 06 15:51
LastStand
Posts: 321
Posted on: 25 May 06 16:31
Is this not the same position of music companies as well? You 'have' to pay what they want but can never own but can you resell your music cd's?
jwill427
Posts: 1242
Posted on: 25 May 06 17:22
I call bullsh*t If this goes through, a large percentage of gamers who were holding out for PS3 will simply buy Xbox360 instead and Sony knows it. Sony is just trying to get the hype up with a lil' controversy. If I'm wrong though, Xbox360 is startin' to look pretty damn good huh
Bobverens
Posts: 241
Posted on: 25 May 06 17:23
There is no restriction on selling used (original, of course) CDs, DVDs or other video games. Sony is all alone on this one -- may they rot!
Dismembered Ninja
Posts: 392
Posted on: 25 May 06 18:02
It's not just a Sony thing as a lot of Game Publishers have been looking to get the 2nd hand sales killed off, look at Valve for one. It's basically a reaction to the downturn in sales of games over the past couple of years. I wouldn't worry too much as a similar attempted ban in Japan on sales of used electronics was watered down recently to make it next to pointless. Be fun to see if anybody could push it through though.
shimman
Posts: 596
Posted on: 25 May 06 18:38
once the "high speed internet" connections are as common as phone lines, then sony will follow the model of valve's stream (you install software, but it must be decrypted/authenticated over internet even while you are playing) sony might let users to transfer the ownership of the licenses, but i doubt that that will be free this is not just ps3 but BD-movies might require such authentications over the internet in few years...that is if BD dominates the market & the internet connections are widely available
GezusK
Posts: 272
Posted on: 25 May 06 19:23
This rumor has already been squashed, its not true. Nice research before posting this BS, since it was proven wrong a couple of days ago. I don't care for Sony or the PS3 anyway, but making up stuff isn't needed.
Lord KiRon
Posts: 257
Posted on: 25 May 06 20:05
My bet it was a "try ball" , generated too much negative reaction ? - false news , but if people was not noticed they would "go ahead" with this "idea".
Seán
Posts: 6693
Posted on: 25 May 06 20:38
It was only a few hours ago that news reports started appearing about Sony denying the GamesRadar news report and even that story was published just yesterday. In fact, at the time this story here was written, there were dozens of sources with similar stories (a few linked above), so apart from one source mentioning that games will not be locked to the console, all the sources at the time simply mentioned that Sony had not yet confirmed whether or not this was true, interestingly has now been confirmed as false. On the other hand, Sony did announce a few days ago that reports mentioning that the Sony PS3 20GB model as not upgradable to be false. The PS3 20GB can be upgraded to support Bluetooth PS3 controlers, Wi-Fi and read memory cards, however there will be no upgrade to offer HDMI support.
robapage
Posts: 1
Posted on: 25 May 06 22:06
it says you cant sell them, but you can trade them, or give one as a gift and give money as a gift in exchange. The only place in town here that would sell them used would be a second hand store. There will be a way around it on ebay.
Dennis_Olof
Posts: 168
Posted on: 25 May 06 22:15
If sony keeps doing things like this (rumours or not) They will loose out in the format wars. 1. Delayed launch date 2. Frantic bly-ray only support 3. Heavy copyprotection 4. Tie the games to a specific console. 5. WTF :r I say Xbox360 is the winner. 1. Launched on time 2. DVD and HD-DVD support 3. Safe/Tested Technology 4. Online gameplay 5. Compatible with older games 6. A few good 360 games out there Everything is speaking AGAINST the PS3. I will not buy one for sure. I was happy Xbox came to life, it got consoles onto the online-game-play thing. This should have been started long ago.
themushroom
Posts: 188
Posted on: 25 May 06 23:23
Take a breath, folks. This is unenforceable.
King Solomon
Posts: 29
Posted on: 26 May 06 03:08
[reaction content deleted] Cool down!!!! We do not allow such a rude speech , is it here or in our forums. Please use an other posting style next time.
[edited by H3rB3i on 26.05.2006 07:04]
LastStand
Posts: 321
Posted on: 26 May 06 03:09
@themushroom Could be in the Uk? They get away with everything, we are not alowed even to back-up discs.
[edited by LastStand on 26.05.2006 03:10]
Web-Junkie
Posts: 492
Posted on: 26 May 06 03:11
They'll be telling us we can't sell our cars second hand next Once the game has been sold, isn't the packaging, manual, and media the game is written on MY PROPERTY? So I am only going to be selling the packaging, manual and media? But seeing as I'm NEVER going to buy a dumb console anyway Sony can go *bleep* themselves :g
[edited by Web-Junkie on 26.05.2006 03:20]
Hypnosis4U2NV
Posts: 1464
Posted on: 26 May 06 03:19
How the hell can they prevent you from reselling the game? Im pretty sure that when you buy the game, your the license holder for that game.. If you decide to sell it, your giving up the license and someone else becomes the licensed owner of that game.. The game doesnt just vanish into thin air, though, Im sure Sony has seen a few episodes of the Mission Impossible series and are currently looking into ways of acheiving a self destruct on DVD and HD/Blu-Ray media..
SciFer
Posts: 193
Posted on: 26 May 06 03:27
At first this made me upset then reading on that Sony has denied it made me think, what an awesome anti-Sony strategy this is if it was created by someone pro Xbox 360 (hint hint MS). All in an effort to get us to react so harsh. By looking at the previous reactions it looks like they're getting a kick out of this, at least I am. Just sit back and wait to see what happens. In the end if we don't like something don't support it (don't buy it), it's that simple.
LastStand
Posts: 321
Posted on: 26 May 06 06:54
In the UK if you buy a PC game you can except: - 1. Can't take it back. 2. You don't own anything. 3. Most have bad bugs that make the game hard to play or complete. 4. If their is a patch that fixes these really bad bugs, it takes 3+ months i.e. looks at X3 it is still buggy crap. 5. Can't backup discs (Law = no copies). 6. Replacement discs cost £20 (game cost £30 in the first place) and takes 2 weeks to 3 months to be delivered (if at all and good luck with the refund when they don't). 7. If you buy from direct to drive, well guess you have to wait long for that patch. 8. Copyprotection fucks (sorry no other way of putting it) up your computer, see gothic 2 and you can't install a firewall or antivirus and disc burning software stopping working and game wont launch. And this is a feature to 'protect you'. 9. If you complain on the starforce forum you are a crap noob hacker. Guy who p2p the game has no problems when he follows the 'guide'. 10. There is zero help from support, see reinstalling drivers and reinstalling drivers etc.... 11. You got banned from that online game for cheating for no reason. Now you have to buy another copy (this happen to me and I did 'not' cheat). 12. Online games like HL2 that need steam always causes problems (like on Lans, server going down you can't play etc). 13. Cheating online is just "bad". 14. Expansion packs really only fix the problems with the original game (new maps are crap, crap new chapters, new races that are shit) but cost £20 to buy. 15. Hardware cost thousands of pounds. 16. People who downloaded the game on p2p think your problems are funny and joke about you trying to get it working with the copyprotection. And of course you paid for the trouble. 17. You can't sell it second hand (well not in game anyway). And the best one of all is:- 18. People still buy PC games.
[edited by LastStand on 26.05.2006 06:55]
Topweasel
Posts: 66
Posted on: 26 May 06 17:19
Even with Valve resale is legal but to have the licensed transfered over to your steam account you have to pay them. It worked for me I bought a copy of HL2 for my friend for $20 and and an extra $10 later he was up and running $30 cheaper then before. Also When they say Unenforcable its about your ability to sell it. What they can enforce is big retailers selling them and site that handle assisted sales (amazon and Ebay). Int the End I hat ethe PS3 and BR in particular and I want to see them fail , but chances are they won't get away with this and if they haven't changed their policy by release then they will change their tune shortly after.
byb3
Posts: 14
Posted on: 26 May 06 20:40
Laststand, you seem the top candidate to start up the UK arm of the EFF. It is about time we had somebody to stand up for our rights here. Any other UK members on here feeling the same way?
hayzen
Posts: 1
Posted on: 27 May 06 10:50
So, how would the licensing plan work when it comes to renting a PS3 game?
cas123
Posts: 18
Posted on: 28 May 06 02:00
This is total BS. Even if $ony would try that they would fail, because realizing such an idea is just against the law. Yes, there is an examle as the Comittee of the forthcoming Soccer World Championship wanted to prohibit selling your ticket and Ebay, because it is personalized. And guess what: The Comittee lost the case ! If I have something in my hands I want to be able to sell it again, I don't give a sh*t if it's used or new (and I am not speeking here about drugs or weapons !) I own that junk so I can sell it. Maybe someone will tell us in the future on which toilets we are allowed to sh*t because of DRM (!) and guess what, I don't give a f*ck. :S Just my 3cents
CPUSlayer
Posts: 102
Posted on: 30 Dec 06 21:23
Thats fine if they restrict 2nd hand games. They won't see the majority of peoples business eighter. Most people trade their games to EB or Gamestop for half or a third of the price of a new title. Stopping the partial trade price of games will lead to no one buying games period! Good luck Sony, you are going to need as much of it as you can get.
guest
Posts: 15288
Posted on: 26 May 07 20:14
I hope you give away free PS3 and PSP

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