Xbox360 external HD DVD drive may receive Vista support

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26 Oct 06 17:46 by Crabbyappleton in category Uncategorized To news archive

Everyone is curious…can the external HD DVD drive coming for the Xbox 360, be utilized with only a PC. A while back, we heard from an Internet source, Gizmodo, that Microsoft confirmed the device will be recognized by a PC. The only catch was, they had not tried the device with proper conditions to assure playback. Speculation is rampant and this is all it is, because the device will not be released until November 7, at least in the US. But, this bit of Internet chatter, is interesting indeed! We all thought, that some sort of firmware hack would be needed and it may be, who knows, but here is what I found today.

This “relatively inexpensive” drive, is a hot seller on Amazon, #2 in Computer Games category at the moment. Interestingly, there was a comment from an Amazon customer that made a bold statement. He said that the drive will work in Vista. So I followed the link! Below, you can follow my trail. First off, is the discussion point mentioned at Amazon.com. Second and third quotes are from the mentioned Robert McLaws blog. Here is the source link to the alleged confirmation to this issue.

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width=4 align=absMiddle border=0> Initial post
Breaking news: The XBox 360
HD DVD Player href="http://www.windows-now.com/blogs/robert/archive/2006/10/25/Xbox-360-HD_2D00_DVD-on-Vista-Confirmed.aspx"
target=_new>will connect to Windows Vista-based workstations via USB as both a data drive as well as a HD-DVD video player. (with appropriate HD DVD playback software like Intervideo, etc.)

Imagine every Windows Vista PC going out this holiday season having a cheap external HD-DVD drive available for it. You can doubt the Xbox 360’s viability, but it’d be foolish to doubt HD DVD.
 
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Posted on the Robert McLaws blog from the above Amazon link…
 
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>Xbox 360 HD-DVD + Vista Media Center = Cheap HD Goodness?

 
Will you be able to plug your USb-powered Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive into your Vista Media Center and rock out movies in hi-def? Engadget seems to think so.
I’ve wondered about this same question on this blog before, and after listening to Major Nelson this past weekend, I shot him an e-mail about it. He e-mailed me back and forwarded it on to Albert… who will hopefully have an official answer soon.
If it IS possible, then personally, I think it makes HD-DVD even more compelling. Why buy a $500 player if you already own an Xbox 360 and can get a $200 external drive? I’ll be able to take it with me on trips and watch HD movies in my hotel room. Sweet!
 
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The response….
 
Xbox 360 HD-DVD on Vista Confirmed
A member of the Xbox 360 HD-DVD team confirmed for me today that the Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive will in fact be recognized by Windows Vista, but it will NOT ship with decoder software. I’m assuming that Intervideo will have a version of WinDVD sometime in the future that supports HD-DVD. Personally, I think the drive should come with the required software to dual-use enable the device (adding value to a non-trivial purchase), but I’m not a PM at Microsoft.

Now, this is interesting. So, it appears at least in Vista IF this is true and IF the current situation is not altered in future iterations of Vista, that all we need is some decoding software. Of course, Microsoft cannot provide this. Below, a visitor to the blog site gives what appears to me at least, to give a very nice explanation to the lament on the Robert McLaws site, about the decoder situation:

kurtsh said:
re: some1’s comments

H.264 is certainly not too heavy for decoding.  H.264 is no more complex than VC-1 and has its roots in video conferencing products like ISDN-based Polycom VTCs, Microsoft NetMeeting, etc. 

The issue here is that H.264 in it’s HD/BluRay video playback form requires that a playback license be paid for as well as the playback software itself.  In the case of the Xbox360, Microsoft has chosen the ATI’s H.264 software/technology to playback HD-DVD content – which should be no surprise considering ATI manufactures the video chipset used in the XBox360 making them the obvious best choice for creating the most optimized playback software for H.264 for the XBox360 video chipset.

You are correct that today, most (if not all) HD-DVD discs are encoded using the VC-1 codec to playback HD-quality video.   This frankly has more to do with the fact that VC-1 is a visibly better codec in many common scenarios than H.264.  So one would think that it would be relatively easy to use HD-DVD on Windows Vista-enabled  workstations, given VC-1’s origins.  (VC-1 is a derivative of Windows Media 9.1 Video)

However, HD-DVD standards state that for any HD-DVD playback to occur, all codecs must be available and present on the player – one reason that a 3rd party player is needed.  Additionally, compliance with a littany of “safeguards” to prevent HD-content duplication must be enforced by the player by the decree of the HD-DVD standards steering committee. (DVDForum)  Hence, another reason 3rd party players come into play.  They’re the ones responsible for complying with these “enforced safeguard” rules.

So this has less to do with codec support and more to do with the standards and conditions by which HD content can be played back.”

Well, there you have it. It is getting closer to a reality, that this external device will be compatible for PC use, providing we can meet the requirements for playback, including having the proper operating system, codecs and also the proper hardware. When I say hardware, I mean the kind that is compatible with the very stringent DRM requirements for movie playback. I guess we just need to get this HD DVD player “out in the wild” and do some testing, before we can know all the details for sure. However, it is beginning to look better by the day, that the our PCs will be able to make use of this tantalizing hardware.

What are your thoughts? Are you tempted to pre-order one of these devices? The first 500,000 will get a free HD DVD movie and also the $199 bundle at present, includes a 40 dollar remote. So, in actuality, you are looking at $120 dollars, no tax - delivered to your door!


 

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9 Comments

Dolphinius_Rex
Posts: 520
Posted on: 26 Oct 06 19:11
It's too bad I have no interest in either using Windows Vista, or buying an XBox 360. Vista has too many restrictions on legitimately purchased software, and the XBox 360 just doesn't have any games that appeal to me. If they could make the HDDVD-ROM compatible with Win2K or at LEAST WinXP then I might be persuaded to buy one (but only because Serenity is only on HDDVD at the moment :P)
teisho
Posts: 38
Posted on: 26 Oct 06 20:02
ok so you ain't interested in 360 or vista, but i wasn't interested in knowing this so why say it. it's like me sayin i ain't buyin a new car next week
Crabbyappleton
Posts: 5756
Posted on: 26 Oct 06 20:07
The thing that is exciting to me, is we are getting more pieces to the puzzle already. Maybe it will not be too long and we can rip HD DVD or someone will create a workaround for HDCP etc. What is nice, is we have a very cheap *in comparison* HD DVD drive to use for experimentation.
teisho
Posts: 38
Posted on: 26 Oct 06 20:17
it's got to be a good move for Microsoft, look at the millions of pc's out there
crustyteacup
Posts: 370
Posted on: 26 Oct 06 20:33
There is no real reason why it would not work with vista at playing HD-DVD movies. After all, its just a bog standard HD-DVD drive in an 360 shape external case. It shouldn't have custom firmware like the 360's DVD drive as this add-onn is not meant for games, only for watching films. So short of microsoft actually requesting some kind of block for to do all this we should be able to do it no problem. It will go along way to helping HD-DVD become the next gen standard especially since its so cheap an compatible with PC's. Screw Sony, Blu-Ray and the PS3.
Crabbyappleton
Posts: 5756
Posted on: 26 Oct 06 20:41
I agree. At least that this is a good move by MS. Since many versions of Vista will have Media Center installed. MS always wanted Windows in the living room, to expand potential sales. This might accelerate that goal. Now, we need to see if there is going to be a good and even cheaper internal HD DVD player soon for PCs. Also, (and this is really stretching) we have to wonder if someone will make an external Blu-ray player, and make sure it works on Vista, so they do not lose out.
agentk7
Posts: 127
Posted on: 26 Oct 06 23:53
I think it would be silly for the drive to only work in Vista, especially since the drive is coming out in November while Vista is still not available. If the drive doesn't come with the software to decode the movies in Vista, would the software that comes later support XP? How could it not, through a Vista only DRM? DirectX 10 only?
Tru
Posts: 1494
Posted on: 29 Oct 06 22:01
There is no reason why it shouldn't work with Windows XP as well (both WinDVD and PowerDVD for HD-DVD state Windows XP Service Pack 2 as minumum OS)
Tru
Posts: 1494
Posted on: 29 Oct 06 22:02
There is no reason why it shouldn't work with Windows XP as well (both WinDVD and PowerDVD for HD-DVD state Windows XP Service Pack 2 as minumum OS)

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