Apple, Adobe spar over Flash

02 Feb 10 00:59 by Jared Newman in category Software To news archive

Apple chief executive Steve Jobs said some nasty things about Adobe Flash last week, and now both sides are fighting over the platform’s relevance.

Technically, Adobe, along with employee and Flash evangelist Lee Brimelow, cast the first stones. Adobe criticized Apple’s upcoming iPad as a “broken link,” for not supporting Flash, and Brimelow posted a blog showing Web sites that won’t run on the iPad. Brimelow’s post raised eyebrows for pointing out not only the obvious Flash sites, such as Hulu and AddictingGames, but a porn site. He ultimately deleted the porn site image from his collage of non-functioning sites upon Adobe’s stern request.

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But the sparks really flew during a “Town Hall” Apple meeting in which Jobs spoke to his employees. An anonymous informant told Wired that Jobs called Adobe lazy. He said Apple doesn’t support Flash on the iPhone or iPad because the platform is too buggy, and the world is moving to HTML5 anyway, and that when a Mac crashes, it’s more often than not because of Flash. (Another zinger from the event: Jobs reportedly said Google’s “Don’t Be Evil” mantra is “bullshit” or “a load of crap” — two audience members dispute the exact quote — because the search company is now invading Apple’s smartphone turf.)

What’s interesting about this spat is not just that it’s juicy gossip, but that it stirs up a lot of issues with Flash. Yes, a lot of cool Web sites — and a lot of scandalous ones — rely on Flash, but Apple might be at the helm of a big change.

This image on Flickr shows how many of the Flash sites mentioned by Adobe’s Brimelow have already been duplicated for the iPhone or released as native iPhone apps. Technologist Robert Scoble says many developers he’s talked to are cutting Flash out of their future Web designs. Even Hulu, a site that’s often brought up in arguments for Flash on the iPhone, could be working on an iPhone app, according to GigaOM.

Instead of fighting with Apple’s anti-flash stance, developers are participating. In cutting Flash out of its plans, Apple is slowly killing it.

4 Comments

ivid
Posts: 502
Posted on: 02 Feb 10 04:23
I'm on the fence on this one, only because some of my favorite sites use Flash.

But I do know very well that Flash sucks, big time. I don't know how anyone can defend such a bloated pig of a resource killer. HTML5 should make Flash irrelevant.

In a world where the content providers are moving to consolidate their assets and formats for as much platform compatibility as possible, H.264 is the obvious winner over Flash. Adobe should just get it over with and throw in the towel.
coolcolors
Posts: 4671
Posted on: 02 Feb 10 15:20
That sounds all good and nice but I have no problem seeing or running flash sites or program on my computer. Given you didn't give any specifics as to why it's bloated maybe your system needs to be get more Ram or faster CPU and or better GPU to perform those task. Considering the world runs on Adobe I doubt that will go away anytime soon more or less it will still exist along with other formats.
glamdring92
Posts: 102
Posted on: 02 Feb 10 18:53
Wow is it just me or is apple at war with every one now.

Flash runs fine for me. Sure you can say it has problems but i think apple is stupid for not including it because i would rather buy a device that can handle it then one that can't. Its all about what it can do not what it can't.
Blu-rayFreak
Posts: 736
Posted on: 02 Feb 10 22:06
I have no loyalty to Adobe Flash, but I do believe it is required to deliver "the best experience on the web" as Apple is touting. This just because there are so many sites out there that use Flash. If every site out there that uses Flash dumps it and switches to an HTML5 implementation, I wouldn't mind, but it's just not going to happen quickly.

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