eBay removes iTunes song auction, no reason given

05 Sep 03 14:06 by G@M3FR3@K in category Uncategorized To news archive

Yesterday we href="http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/7871" target=_new> size=2>reported that web developer George Hotelling put
a digital song up for auction on eBay which he himself purchased via
Apple’s iTunes music downloading store. His idea was to test the reaction of the
Apple, eBay and the music industry to such a trade. Now thanks to
size=2>GristyMcFisty for his tip, we can read on The
Register that the song has been removed from the eBay auction
site:


src="http://www.cdfreaks.com/contentimages/newsimages/1329116597" align=right vspace=5
border=0>The auction page itself now simply says: “The item you
requested… is invalid, still pending, or no longer in our database.
Please check the number and try again. If this message persists, the item
has either not started and is not yet available for viewing, or has
expired and is no longer available.”


Is selling on a downloaded song the same as selling a
CD, he asked?


eBay’s move doesn’t answer that question. eBay made
its move because the auction violated its regulations on the sale of
electronic media which can be distributed via the Internet. eBay already
prohibits such sales. However, just because the auction runs contrary to
eBay’s Ts&Cs doesn’t necessarily make it a copyright violation. eBay
is – quite understandably – playing it safe.


The consensus among Reg readers is that the purchasing
a physical medium is not the same as buying a download. In the first case
you’re buying the physical disc, in the second, you’re actually buying the
song, so the US’ ‘first sale’ right doesn’t apply.


We think the point’s still moot, however. If ‘first
sale’ rights are granted when you by a CD, because you’re actually buying
the disc not the song, you could argue that the same applies to a file. A
file can be defined as a data carrier as much as a disc, particularly when
it’s essentially an authorised copy of a ‘master’ file.


We’re no lawyer, but that’s an argument that could be
made, and the only time the question is going to be settled is when it is
indeed argued out through a legal challenge. Again, that’s something eBay
itself will be keen to
avoid.

Source: The Register

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5 Comments

Rhelic
Posts: 302
Posted on: 05 Sep 03 15:14
As long as the sale is legitmate (meaning the seller isn't keeping a copy for himself) this would work out really well for the lesser money fortunate users. Say I buy a song for $.99, and I hate it, I should be able to sell the license for whatever, say $.49 (optimally using DRM to actually transfer ownership so that I won't be able to play the song anymore). I could see this becoming really popular buy there are many ways to steal this music that might prevent this from happening. Such as I buy the song, burn it to CD, sell the license, then rip the CD into MP3s (or whatever format). Now I have the song, and some of my money back. I guess the only way this system would ever work is if it's limited to media that has DRM settings that do not allow the burning to CD (although there are still ways around thath such as playing the song and recording via a digital loopback or analog loopback). It's a never ending cycle so I guess ultimately I have to agree with eBay and what Apple will soon say.... you cannot sell or distribute the songs you purchase from iTunes. Is this fair? No, but I can't think of a secure way to allow such transactions without having easy ways to own music illegally after you purchase it and sell it off. This could really hurt online song sites as they are struggling as is (except iTunes) and people would rather buy their music for $.49 on eBay than $.99 on iTunes.
Rhelic
Posts: 302
Posted on: 05 Sep 03 15:18
On another subject I've blabbed about online for awhile. I'm surprised iTunes doesn't offer a tiered structure for songs you purchase. Such as a normal home license for playing & burning for $.99, a license to only play on digital devices (no CD burning) for say $.79 and a commercial license to allow public playing of the music for businesses or whatnot.
Powerchordpunk
Posts: 7
Posted on: 06 Sep 03 00:33
I think George Hotelling should next try a cd with the song transferred to it. it's not electronic media.
nider
Posts: 97
Posted on: 06 Sep 03 05:18
Rhelic: You could buy a CD, burn it and then turn around and sell it. But then you don't have the actual packaging, and when the copyright police check your media collection, I guess you can't prove you own it. unless you were to hack the mp3 with proper DRM so then they couldn't prove you didn't buy it. (honestly, sir, I bought them at a swap meet.)
yoshix
Posts: 72
Posted on: 06 Sep 03 06:25
No matter what eBay will usually won't deal w/ the issue and just suspend the account. Several of my friends selling Diablo / E.Q stuff got suspended w/ out prior warning. It's easier for them. There are some major problems w/ eBay now that it has gone corporate. Some people know what I'm talking about ..

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