Gartner analyst: Windows 8 for desktop users is ‘bad’

I think that is what we have been saying all along

So this guy says that "menu’s that can easily be reached using touch devices are hardly accessible anymore when a mouse is used". Well he's flat out wrong. If you have Windows 8, but don't have a touch screen, you use your mouse just like you've always done. If you have enough tiles that they extend off the right side of the display, hold the left mouse button down and drag the screen, just like you would drag it with your finger on a touch screen. Or use the mouse's wheel to do the same thing. Are people really so technologically ingnorant that they can't figure this out? Besides, I'm sure this issue will become moot this Fall or next Spring when PC manufacturers start putting touch screens on laptops that have Windows 8 preinstalled. Sorry for probably insulting a lot of people, but man, are people capable of thinking for themselves anymore?

Yo BradWright

Just because people don't like something doesn't mean they can't figure things out nor does it mean they are stupid when posting their opinions.

SJ

What I've read about 8 will keep me from even trying it.
I don't like touch screens as I hate finger smuges on my screen .

Touch screens do not work for all work environments, they do not work for us, that is what I and others are saying.
If touchscreens work for you Good but that does not make us stupid.

Our accounting software company has no plans for Windows 8 support, just like they did not support Vista. And I am sure we are not the only ones that this effects.

Personally, I think the problem is that MS wants to force you to use Metro, and that's what is annoying most desktop PC users.

I can think of no reason that MS couldn't have utilised a fully functional "Start Menu" in Windows 8 desktop mode.

It's a real pity, as under the bonnet Windows 8 is very good.
However, I will not be forced to use my PC Microsofts way, I want to be able to use my PC, my way.

This site's resident Microsoft Apologist strikes again. Ballmer must've written you one heck of a big check, Brad, for you to prostitute yourself so willingly.

Just because I don't automatically buy into whatever some "expert" says, doesn't make me a "Microsoft Apologist". It's just really annoying to me when so called "experts" make judgements about a product (doesn't matter what the product is), don't ven explain why they made that judgement, and then everyone automatically buys into it because he's an "expert" and must know what he's talking about. In this particular article, Gunnar Berger never said why menu’s that can easily be reached using touch devices are hardly accessible anymore when a mouse is used. I said he's wrong about that, and explained why.

I might give Win 8 a whirl when I get hold of a copy at an *extremely* discounted price (wink wink), but at this time I doubt I'll abandon Win 7. I'm looking forward to Win X (aka 10). I hear it's gonna have smell-o-vision. It'll take watching porn to a HOLE new level. HA !! See what I just did there?

I couldn't care less if you like Windows 8 or not. But I get the impression that a lot of people base their liking/disliking of something on what some experts opinion instead of basing it on their own experiences while actually trying things out, and experimenting to see what they can discover themselves. That doesn't mean you do that, or that any other person in particular does. It's just an opinion I've made based on a large number of negative comments that just seem to repeat other comments, but don't offer any justification of why.

And I never said anyone was stupid. I meant that the argument that you have to have a touch screen monitor to use Metro is getting stupid, and I said so because everything you can do with your finger on a touch screen, you can do equally as well with a mouse.

My point exactly. I also hate smudges on my monitor, and I use a mouse even with my Samsung touch screen tablet to avoid them.

I agree. It would have been better if Microsoft included the normal Start menu in the Desktop view of Windows 8. But they didn't, and they aren't planning to in the future, so I've gotten over it and moved on from that. As for Metro, I don't use it, and I probably use Windows 8 close to half the time.

OK, look everyone. There were two points to my original comment. First, that Gunnar Berger is wrong about menus being hardly accessible with a mouse. That's just flat out not true, so I countered his argument, and I backed up what I said. Second, I believe that this whole argument about not being able to effectively use Windows 8 on non-touch screen monitors is getting stupid. Notice I said the argument, not the people. There's nothing personal about that.

About my opinion that there may be a lot of people who make comments without even trying the product being discussed? Cholla is a perfect example of that. But if you don't leave comments about a products you've never tried, then that comment wasn't about you.

Finally, about me being a "Microsoft Apologist". I disliked Windows 8 and Metro as much as anyone when the developer preview was first released, and I uninstalled it from my computer after about an hour. But then I reinstalled it after a couple weeks, and I experimented with it and tried things on my own. I discovered that everything you can do with your finger on a touchscreen, you can do just as easily with a mouse. I discovered you don't have to use Metro if you don't want to, which as I've said before, I don't. And I've discovered that I like Windows 8 and Metro more as I use it more and learn more about it. But I'm not starting to like it more because of anything anyone else said. I'm liking it more because of my own personal experiences while actually using Windows 8 and (maybe not so much) Metro. And while I've suggested that I think a lot of people aren't giving Windows 8 a fair chance, I've never suggested that anyone else should like it just because I've grown to like it.

So my question, is bradwright not allowed to have an opinion just because it is contradictory to what the masses here seem to think? I am not really a fan of the metro interface either but it isn't that horrible either. I do not understand why everyone seems to want to jump down brad's throat for having a contrarian opinion. He is an MS apologist because he does not find issue with Metro, so I guess that must make everyone else MS haters then? If you are allowed to hate Metro, then isn't someone else allowed to not hate it?

Hey I've finally been made a "perfect example" of something .

maybe these will be more straight forward in RTM http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-8...ic-start-menu/

Yes everyone is allowed there opinion, we thrive on opinion, but no one likes to be called stupid for there opinion either.

Contrary to his/her first statement, Gartner did state that when looked at through the different devices being used the tablet and laptop would be good or okay but it was bad for a desktop.

On point Dee.

Microsoft could have easily created the option to choose between "Metro" and "Desktop" during the installation process.
This would have give the users a choice between Touchscreens (Tablet Mode) and Standard (Desktop Mode).

They are simply afraid that the majority would choose the Desktop Mode, thus foiling their attempts to forcibly migrate users to their (Microsoft's) preference. They would simply fail.

I'm still wondering why Microsoft wants us to do it "their way" rather than the way we like doing things?

Change can be nice, change can be good, change for change alone is stupid, change without choice is arrogant and obnoxious.

Why couldn't they leave us the start menu and a way to "lock in" desktop view?

What is the REASON for this hard involuntary push?

Are we still talking about Microsoft, or George Lucas?

OK, maybe everyone will like this: http://www.classicshell.sourceforge.net, because it puts an awesome start menu on your Windows 8 Desktop View. One of the start menu items is of course, Classic Shell, and if you go into the submenu Classic Start Menu Settings, you'll find it to be amazingly customizable. You can change it's appearance (Windows 7 Basic, Windows 7 Aero, Vista, XP, Metro, etc.), change the appearance of the start button itself, and even set it to skip Metro when booting your computer. I just found it and installed it, and I think it's awesome.

There is also Power8: http://club.myce.com/f182/power8-1-0...leased-328195/

I believe Microsoft figures that in order for them to compete with the huge success of Apple's dominance in the tablet industry they need to force their new Windows metro style onto the consumers because it will increase their chances of a good start of their upcoming products of mobile devices, and since they have the biggest market shares when it come to the operating systems that this means it will increase their percentage rate for the consumers to adapt to the metro style at a more faster pace.

Just my .02¢
SJ

Microsoft's Metro is basically the result of the vast success of iPhone Multitouch technology.

Apple will include the same or better technologies on future Mac desktop and MacBook computers.

Apple has been working to integrate Mac OS X for desktops and laptops and iOS for iPhone and iPad into a unified ecosystem. Microsoft is on a similar path, integrating Windows for desktop and Windows for mobile. Google as well, though to a lesser degree. Touch-based screens with very high resolutions for desktops and laptops, energy-efficient mobile DRAM chips and mobile processors at least more powerful than Atom, internal storage as fast and large as the latest desktop SSD's for phones, these are not yet ready for production to make that integration happen. They'll come in time, but it will take more time for governments, regulatory authorities like the British Ofcom and US FCC, international standard organizations, and so on to adapt. Since it's taking the UK and Germany several years to prepare spectrums for LTE while it was the very standard to become standard in the first place as it then looked like the cost-effective solution to succeed existing 3G, it's going to take at least one full decade to have something to meet the needs of unified bandwidth globally.

All I can say is that I think Win8 Looks Sick... even if it works with a mouse.
It looks like a Huge cell phone.... I for one say no thank you.

Pitty I can't post a picture on this forum but dig deep enough on icanhascheeburger.com, monday to friday and the picture is there.
Picture in your mind 2 desktops side by side AOL (circa 1996) and Metro.
The similarity is frightening (could be another lawsuit here).
The Caption reads "History, those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it".

Here you go, folks...
http://verydemotivational.memebase.com/2012/04/10/demotivational-posters-history-2/