Gigantic capacity Blu-ray Disc being developed in Japan

26 May 10 01:59 by Randomus in category Blu-ray writers & players To news archive

Japanese researchers have announced that they can use a new metal oxide that will usher in a new-generation of Blu-ray Discs that are able to store up to 200 times the capacity of the Blu-ray Discs available today.

If the product is fully developed successfully, this means that we could see single layer Blu-ray Discs storing close to 5 TB (200 x 25 GB) of data in the future.

Research carried out by Japanese professor Shinichi Okoshi, who teaches at the University of Tokyo, also demonstrated that the metal oxide is cheaper and easier to manufacture than materials currently used in DVDs and Blu-ray Discs.

To put it simply, this new metal oxide is a synthetic material that coats the outside of discs.  The black layer is dynamic and allows electricity to pass through in an easier manner than what’s currently offered.  If implemented properly, the new discs could store 1,000 times the amount of a single DVD, a massive storage increase when compared to the 25 GB capacity available today.

Researchers plan to work with manufacturers to try and see how quickly their technology can be utilized.

The current DVD and Blu-ray alloy costs more because manufacturers are using rare metals, such as germanium and other pricey compounds.  The ability to use common compounds will keep manufacturing costs down – and Okoshi is ready to work with manufacturers to accelerate the use of this new alloy.

The full published study can be found in the May 23 Nature Chemistry science journal.

We’ve seen a few different storage breakthroughs recently that promise drastic capacity increases for Blu-ray in the years to come.  Although these new technologies sound extremely promising, very little actual real world prototypes have been seen as of yet. Let’s hope these technologies don’t become vaporware.

Update: As H3rB3i rightly pointed out in the comments below, this new 5 TB disc is not actually a “Blu-ray Disc” and is being referred to as a “super disc” for now. Our apologies for the mix-up.

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getit29
Posts: 1848
Posted on: 26 May 10 02:20
Hmmm........ 5TB on a single layer disc and cheaper to produce than today's
DVD and BR disc's all I can say is bring it on and don't be slow about it.
debro
Posts: 12072
Posted on: 26 May 10 04:44
Will current drives be compatible? Require a firmware update, or be completely useless when 5TB disks come out?

Just curious .....
CDan
Posts: 3591
Posted on: 26 May 10 05:56
They just never stop coming up with ways to lose more and more data all at once.
Blu-rayFreak
Posts: 736
Posted on: 26 May 10 06:07
The ability to store 5 TB on a Blu-ray Disc would be amazing! Hope this works out and is dependable.
paulw2
Posts: 144
Posted on: 26 May 10 06:09
Life expectancy??
r_saotome
Posts: 481
Posted on: 26 May 10 13:51
Would be a large loss of data if the disc got deep scratched.
DukeNukem
Posts: 1359
Posted on: 26 May 10 14:55
"If the product is fully developed successfully, this means that we could see single layer Blu-ray Discs storing close to 5 TB (200 x 25 GB) of data in the future."

Along with new Blu-ray drives to play the discs, since I'm guessing current players will be unable to read them.
Burnsama
Posts: 8708
Posted on: 26 May 10 15:52
let us use 100GB or 200GB BD-R and over 4X - 6X BD-RE first
5TB
BradWright
Posts: 49
Posted on: 26 May 10 18:28
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Originally Posted by r_saotome View Post
Would be a large loss of data if the disc got deep scratched.
Exactly! I just don't understand this eagerness to get more and more data onto a single point of failure. A fragile one at that.
Blu-rayFreak
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Posted on: 26 May 10 19:07
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Originally Posted by BradWright View Post
Exactly! I just don't understand this eagerness to get more and more data onto a single point of failure. A fragile one at that.
It definitely has it's uses, even if for short term storage (going on a trip, etc). I recently had to purchase a portable external HDD to get a large amount of data from someone on a trip. If 5 TB BD-R's were available and ubiquitous, I wouldn't have had to do that.
DukeNukem
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Posted on: 26 May 10 19:25
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Originally Posted by BradWright View Post
Exactly! I just don't understand this eagerness to get more and more data onto a single point of failure. A fragile one at that.
Can't we just go back to chiseling information on to large blocks of stone? Much better data integrity. Granted, portability would suffer somewhat.
olddancer
Posts: 28
Posted on: 26 May 10 23:35
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Originally Posted by DukeNukem View Post
Can't we just go back to chiseling information on to large blocks of stone? Much better data integrity. Granted, portability would suffer somewhat.
Portable? You've never heard of Glaciers and that new fangled gizmo called the Wheel?
As appealing as 5tb may sound, something has to read and write to these disks and the current crop of Bluray players and writers isn't going to cut it. The tracks on these disks will have to be 200 times narrower to hold that much data. Thus the laser will have to be 200 times narrower and have to track 200 times more accurately. Your next 5tb Bluray player might well set you back 5 Grand. Don't think that's going to go over too well with the average consumer.
H3rB3i
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Posted on: 27 May 10 16:07
Just to clarify, this is not Blu-ray, they are talking about a totally new technology.
DukeNukem
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Posted on: 27 May 10 16:19
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Originally Posted by H3rB3i View Post
Just to clarify, this is not Blu-ray, they are talking about a totally new technology.
New-ray?
CDan
Posts: 3591
Posted on: 27 May 10 16:25
random access times on a 5TB optical disc must be something like 3 days.
Some Random Guy
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Posted on: 27 May 10 16:47
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Originally Posted by H3rB3i View Post
Just to clarify, this is not Blu-ray, they are talking about a totally new technology.
Let's see if they can roll it out just in time to start a format war with the Holographic Versatile Disc.
H3rB3i
Posts: 3888
Posted on: 27 May 10 17:01
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Originally Posted by Some Random Guy View Post
Let's see if they can roll it out just in time to start a format war with the Holographic Versatile Disc.
LOL

cosidering the time they required to get Blu-ray on the market, I think they need 10 + years , ok, maybe they are faster but this is for sure far more work than the BD developement.

the key question is, who needs such a disc. I mean SSDs are becoming more and more affordable, you can get small HDDs with lots of storage, mediastreming,.... I really don't see any use for such a disc

Just think on 1+ TB SSDs in external enclosures, who then want's a CD/BD/DVD any longer?
imo they will be affordable far before such a technology will hit the market
H3rB3i
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Posted on: 27 May 10 17:09
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Originally Posted by DukeNukem View Post
New-ray?
or Gag-ray
DukeNukem
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Posted on: 27 May 10 21:19
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Originally Posted by H3rB3i View Post
or Gag-ray
I'm pretty sure that name is already taken. Sci-fi porn flick from the 70s. I could be wrong, though. I often make stuff up. I'm thinking it might be the alcohol.
Chriscreative
Posts: 52
Posted on: 28 May 10 05:47
The ability to store 5 TB on a Blu-ray Disc would be amazing all I can say is bring it on and don't be slow about it. Hope this technology works out. 1,000 times the amount of a single DVD. I can replace all my old DVD`s with a single 5 TB Blu-ray Disc.Speed might be a factor.
Chriscreative
Posts: 52
Posted on: 28 May 10 07:20
An other factor is there a blue-ray writer or laser that will be able to write to these discs?
H3rB3i
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Posted on: 28 May 10 07:59
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Originally Posted by Chriscreative View Post
An other factor is there a blue-ray writer or laser that will be able to write to these discs?
For sure, not at the moment. I don't think that this will be possible with a 405nm blue laser. A shorter wave length and a lens that is closer to the disc surface allowed BD to reduce the track pitch from 0,74 to 0,32µm and so a 6 times higher capacity.

They must reduce the track pitch again drastically (even more than by factor 2, maybe by factor 10) to achieve the capacity they promised. Imho this is impossible with a blu laser technology.
Chriscreative
Posts: 52
Posted on: 28 May 10 08:53
With a new higher pitch laser in the future that can write on both sides of the disc, at least it is a step in the rite direction. Thank you for the info.
DukeNukem
Posts: 1359
Posted on: 28 May 10 19:44
The first thing I'd do is surgically connect the laser to a shark, cause nothing is cooler than sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads. Nothing.
olddancer
Posts: 28
Posted on: 02 Jun 10 01:07
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Originally Posted by CDan View Post
random access times on a 5TB optical disc must be something like 3 days.
Don't tell Canada Post or any Government Agency!
They'll all want one.
Chriscreative
Posts: 52
Posted on: 02 Jun 10 15:01
A big HDD
It's a hard disk drive back in 1956... with 5 MB of storage. In September 1956 IBM launched the 305 RAMAC, the first 'SUPER' computer with a hard disk drive (HDD). The HDD weighed over a ton and stored a 'whopping' 5 MB of data.
Do you appreciate your 1 GB memory stick a little more now?
debro
Posts: 12072
Posted on: 03 Jun 10 01:04
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chriscreative View Post
A big HDD
It's a hard disk drive back in 1956... with 5 MB of storage. In September 1956 IBM launched the 305 RAMAC, the first 'SUPER' computer with a hard disk drive (HDD). The HDD weighed over a ton and stored a 'whopping' 5 MB of data.
Do you appreciate your 1 GB memory stick a little more now?
But will it play crysis?
Chriscreative
Posts: 52
Posted on: 04 Jun 10 06:48
After all it is a Super computer with a large HHD, I could try it first on my 128k Commondore not to sure about the operating system (Doss)

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