New York City calls on students to fight digital piracy

17 Sep 11 00:43 by R.J. Huneke in category Movies, Music, Piracy To news archive

This week marks a new, innovative approach to the fight against digital piracy, as New York City has clearly spoken on the behalf of the 700,000 New York artists that work in the creative fields with the Create the Next Spot contest.

On September 13, the Mayor’s Office of Media and Entertainment (MOME) harbored the Creative NYC: Campaign against Content Theft Summit at the Tweed Courthouse. The result: they have launched a campaign to end the illegal downloading of creative content by agreeing to involve the students of the city in the educational advertisements to spur on a consumer awareness initiative.

Any creative student, in high school or attending university in New York City, can form an interesting and appealing slogan or idea to help stop digital piracy for a new public service announcement that will be featured on billboards, cab posters, web sites, and even TV commercials.

Contestants will be judged by famous celebrities and imaginative artists, such as Whoopi Goldberg, that also wish to bring attention to the numerous jobs that are at risk due to the plundering of digital booty.

More important is that the Create the Next Spot contest involves the youth of the city, who have been partly responsible for a myriad number of illegal downloads–because of the ease of its availability and an affordable price (free)–and the younger generation can help educate their peers about the job killing that piracy pushes off of the plank. Students can help protect their future work themselves.

This week’s summit brought together the Mayor’s Office Media & Entertainment Commissioner Katherine Oliver and the Mayor’s Chief Policy Advisor John Feinblatt, representatives from the entertainment industry including the MPAA and IATSE, US Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, academia and law enforcement to come up with a successful way to stop the piracy process without the forceful politics and legislation:  they want to stop people from wanting to illegally pirate data in the first place.

The freedom of digital information rights debates and piracy continue to rage on. The close of LimeWire has even resulted in a 20 percent total decline in the practice to date, but will the pirate ships sink?

Certain facts are showcased on the contest’s web site that are both educational and hard to dispute. Over 140,000 jobs have already been lost in the film, TV, movie, and music industries, which have been attributed to content theft.

A number that is near to the writer’s heart is that over 2.8 billion dollars are lost in book sales due to the pirated copies that grace Kindles everywhere.

16 Comments

TMP1
Posts: 7
Posted on: 17 Sep 11 18:28
Another brainwashing campaign to keep obscene profit in the pockets of the controlling corporations in the face of the new, digital reality.

2.8 billion dollars? Give us a break--there is no loss of revenue from a digital copy, legal or otherwise. Think about it. Say I sell a dvd I created to 1 person, who in turn copied it 20 times and gave said dvd to 20 friends. What have I lost? Nothing, as long as you deal in reality and not hypotheitcals. In reality I made 1 sale. It's complete fantasy to think I should have made 21 sales.

In the days of analog, listeners made tape copies from the radio, but tapes didn't bring down the music industry.

Studios were certain the introduction of the VCR would destroy their business and television was equally doomed.

The internet won't destroy art and creativity (and by extension jobs), but it will shift the balance sheet from one pocketbook to another and that's really what this is all about.
StormJumper
Posts: 12093
Posted on: 17 Sep 11 19:18
Quote:
Originally Posted by TMP1 View Post
Another brainwashing campaign to keep obscene profit in the pockets of the controlling corporations in the face of the new, digital reality.

2.8 billion dollars? Give us a break--there is no loss of revenue from a digital copy, legal or otherwise. Think about it. Say I sell a dvd I created to 1 person, who in turn copied it 20 times and gave said dvd to 20 friends. What have I lost? Nothing, as long as you deal in reality and not hypotheitcals. In reality I made 1 sale. It's complete fantasy to think I should have made 21 sales.

In the days of analog, listeners made tape copies from the radio, but tapes didn't bring down the music industry.

Studios were certain the introduction of the VCR would destroy their business and television was equally doomed.

The internet won't destroy art and creativity (and by extension jobs), but it will shift the balance sheet from one pocketbook to another and that's really what this is all about.
If those friends wanted the DVD you created they would have came to you for purchase thus more revenue to you, however when the person who you sold to gave it to them for free means a loss to you

Have a nice day
TMP1
Posts: 7
Posted on: 17 Sep 11 19:56
IF they wanted---how do you know they did? Any loss is purely imagined, unless you have proof...do you have proof? I'd have a really nice day if you could tell me how to turn imagination into reality!
StormJumper
Posts: 12093
Posted on: 17 Sep 11 20:56
Quote:
Originally Posted by TMP1 View Post
IF they wanted---how do you know they did? Any loss is purely imagined, unless you have proof...do you have proof? I'd have a really nice day if you could tell me how to turn imagination into reality!
My reply was to your hypothetical question so I need not have nor show proof, however if your statement or question was a fact and not hypothetical as you posted "Say I sell a DVD I created" then my reply would be valid and a fact.

Since this is not a debate forum I have nothing more to say on this subject to someone who seems to have no concept of business economics, again have a nice day
huneke
Posts: 41
Posted on: 17 Sep 11 20:59
I think the proof would be in the visible amount of downloads and seeds for digital downloads. Even one percentage point - which I think we can all agree 1% would have spent money to acquire - of all of the illegal downloads amounts to a tremendous amount of $$ that the company, artist, designers, etc. do NOT get, despite putting in the work for their work. And an artist's work is their own.
TMP1
Posts: 7
Posted on: 18 Sep 11 02:40
StormJumper: you don't like debate, okay. You clearly don't know what you're talking about-and lucky for you-that's not debatable.
tmc8080
Posts: 634
Posted on: 18 Sep 11 14:11
lolz, I think they're referring to the fact that Borders had to liquidate after not finding an investor... apparently book sales are dwindling fast. no figures on offsets from audible books and digital media. there's also no offset from the last of the bookstores (Barnes and Noble) rai$ing prices since they are the only major chain in town. the only thing keeping them in check is online book sellers-- most of which don't have to collect sales tax if they have no presence in your state.

btw, more money is lost in music & movie revenue than books. this industry has not been hit as much by piracy. generally only the *MOST POPULAR* or *MOST EXPENSIVE* items would ever tend to get pirated or worth a pirate's time to scan or repack book data from original sources (as in decode encryption subscription information) and then release as a pirated "ware".
AIRBUD7
Posts: 104
Posted on: 18 Sep 11 17:20
Support the companies, which software you actually enjoy!

KEYWORD:...Actually enjoy!

Software Return Policy=You Got Screwed!
Mr. Belvedere
Posts: 18374
Posted on: 19 Sep 11 09:08
The fact that the expected gained profit was not met, does not mean it is lost profit.

This is the ultimate fallacy that is still strong in the people's minds.

For the rest, piracy is wrong like any other illegal activity, but that has never stopped the public from being creative and obtaining their wishes in any way they seem fit.
AIRBUD7
Posts: 104
Posted on: 19 Sep 11 13:00
"The problem with quotes on the internet is that many are not genuine." - Abraham Lincoln

"I like That Mr Belvedere" -George Washington
Dee
Posts: 11994
Posted on: 19 Sep 11 14:44
Quote:
Originally Posted by TMP1 View Post
IF they wanted---how do you know they did? Any loss is purely imagined, unless you have proof...do you have proof? I'd have a really nice day if you could tell me how to turn imagination into reality!
It's still theft, and no better than going into a shop and helping yourself to the stock without paying.

You don't think so?
If you answer no, then perhaps you can supply us with your bank account details, and then we can all just help ourselves to your hard earned cash. I mean, if its in a bank account, how are we supposed to know if you really want the money or not?
justcallmebob
Posts: 979
Posted on: 19 Sep 11 14:48
Quote:
Originally Posted by AIRBUD7 View Post

Software Return Policy=You Got Screwed!

This why I don't buy a ton of software or even CDs or DVDs anymore. You buy it, open it and end up not enjoying it or finding out it doesn't fit your need. You're then stuck with it.

It is nice to see that more and more software companies are offering the 30 day trials though.
Matth
Posts: 1663
Posted on: 19 Sep 11 16:33
Anti-Piracy organizations will claim that every pirate copy represents a lost sale, at full RRP.
Pirates will claim that every pirate copy is free advertising that might lead to legitimate purchases.

Part of the problem, is "what is ownership" - when LP's had a sleeve that was often a work of art itself, and when software came in a box with a substantial printed manual, there was a big difference between what you bought, and what you got if a friend made a copy for you.

Nowadays, it's just some bit of gobbledegook you type in to make it go.


Anyway I shall deprive Microsoft of a sale of Office Suite - I'll use OpenOffice.


Basically, in the digital age, I think the old models are doomed, and in the case of software, maybe selling support services is the way forward, rather than selling the software itself.
AllanDeGroot
Posts: 1087
Posted on: 19 Sep 11 17:16
Quote:
Originally Posted by StormJumper View Post
If those friends wanted the DVD you created they would have came to you for purchase thus more revenue to you, however when the person who you sold to gave it to them for free means a loss to you

Have a nice day
That is a false premise because you are ASSUMING without any proof of fact that the person or persons who have aquired the "pirated copy" would have actually bought the work in question.

or that they had the available funds to have done so.

in court this would and should be objected to on the basis of
"facts not in evidence" and/or "based on supposition."

Quote:
Originally Posted by tmc8080 View Post
lolz, I think they're referring to the fact that Borders had to liquidate after not finding an investor... apparently book sales are dwindling fast. no figures on offsets from audible books and digital media. there's also no offset from the last of the bookstores (Barnes and Noble) rai$ing prices since they are the only major chain in town. the only thing keeping them in check is online book sellers-- most of which don't have to collect sales tax if they have no presence in your state.

btw, more money is lost in music & movie revenue than books. this industry has not been hit as much by piracy. generally only the *MOST POPULAR* or *MOST EXPENSIVE* items would ever tend to get pirated or worth a pirate's time to scan or repack book data from original sources (as in decode encryption subscription information) and then release as a pirated "ware".

Borders had an obsolete buisness model that failed in the face
of these three facts:
1)that people simply don't read books as much as they used to
2)when people do the research to find the title & author of a book they want
it's only a few additional mouse clicks to have the book simply appear in their mailbox in 48-72hours
3)and while the shift to e-readers is still ongoing that is taking a bite out of borders buisness as well.

For #2 & #3 you can probably blame Amazon.

Amazon killed borders as thoroughly as bad management at dorders did.

How do I know there was bad management at Borders?
They are out of buisness aren't they?

Quote:
Originally Posted by justcallmebob View Post
This why I don't buy a ton of software or even CDs or DVDs anymore. You buy it, open it and end up not enjoying it or finding out it doesn't fit your need. You're then stuck with it.

It is nice to see that more and more software companies are offering the 30 day trials though.
Even Microsoft give you a 30-day trial of an operating system before you are forced by "activation"
to lock it to that particular system.

Basically giving you 30days to determine if there are unresolvable conflicts on a particular system
with that new OS, no you can't return it if you fail, but frankly for what they charge for an OS and all that it does I consider an OS to be a bargin compared to some other software, like Adobe Acrobat or the professional version of M$ office.

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StormJumper
Posts: 12093
Posted on: 19 Sep 11 19:04
Yo AllanDeGroot

My reply that you quoted was in response to a statement made in a hypothetical way by TMP1...
Quote:
Originally Posted by TMP1 View Post
Say I sell a dvd I created to 1 person, who in turn copied it 20 times and gave said dvd to 20 friends..
So I did not assume nothing but rather stating a fact if such
hypothetical action had actually happened.

When quoting someones quote with a negative response try reading the statement that the quote was in reference too.

Have a nice week
StormJumper
Posts: 12093
Posted on: 19 Sep 11 21:08
Oh BTW AD in response to...
Quote:
without any proof of fact that the person or persons who have aquired the "pirated copy" would have actually bought the work in question.

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When one acquires something it is because they want or wanted it so yes if the pirated content was not available the odds of a purchase being made is extremely high or do you just go around acquiring things you don't want.

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