Pirated content in Spain valued at over $6 billion in 6 months

Posted 02 June 2010 00:11 CEST by Randomus

A new IDC Research report indicates the estimated value of pirated content shared during the second half of 2009 in Spain was valued at $6.3 billion, as the nation has struggled to prevent illegal downloading.

As part of the research, 5,911 Spanish citizens were polled regarding downloading and sharing pirated content — piracy accounts for 95.6% all music, and 83.7% of online movies.  Due to this, copyright groups claim that the Spanish government lost out on $1.7 billion taxes during 2009.

It’s unlikely people pirating the content would purchase everything they illegally download, but the startling $12 billion per year in piracy losses has drawn major media attention in the country.

A prominent Spanish journalism professor and former radio host, Javier de la Rosa, explained to the New York Times a leading reason why piracy is accepted in Spain. “The triumph of downloading in Spain is partly because people can watch the latest episode of their favorite American series with Spanish subtitles weeks before it gets dubbed and released on television here,” he said in the interview.  “The quality and speed is also excellent nowadays, and some Web sites like Series Yonkis even help people by ranking downloads according to quality, so that’s very user friendly.”

However, it’s sites similar to Series Yonkis that could be shut down later this year, after a new law proposed by Spanish politicians would lead to websites with pirated material to be swiftly shut down.

The Spanish government is now under increased pressure to crackdown on piracy, especially after a bipartisan caucus in the United States accused the nation of allowing widespread piracy to take place within the country’s borders.  The country was recently identified as one of five major pirate nations, joining Canada, China, Mexico and Russia on the list.

If piracy is such a widespread problem in Spain, simply trying to boot file sharers offline and handing out monetary fines will not be enough.  Furthermore, shutting down these sites will not work when a new site will just pop up days later, probably hosted outside of Spain itself.  The Spanish copyright holders must work with groups to help bring content to the country faster, while also campaigning to explain the pitfalls of piracy to the citizens.



Blu-rayFreak
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 01 Jun 10 22:36
Copyright groups never get tired of the same ole argument. One pirated movie or TV show does not equal one purchased movie or TV show. They are not equals.
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DukeNukem
MyCE Resident Commenter
Posted on: 02 Jun 10 12:58
They're having money troubles. Cut 'em some slack.
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Zod
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 02 Jun 10 15:35
I agree with the first poster. These companies assume that people have infinite budgets, and they could actually afford everything there downloading. They also assume had the user had a choice between whatever they spent their money on already, or the downloaded content, that it would of been on the downloaded content.

I would think only a small fraction of downloaded material is a lost sale. People have budgets. If they had to pay for what they were downloading, it was severely restrict the quanitity, as well as hard decisions on whether or not to give up whatever else they wanted to spend the money on.
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coolcolors
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 03 Jun 10 09:02
And notice how the US doesn't clamour to CHINA about pirate or privacy?? Guess I know who the US calls UNCLE....

Also those number are so dubious since they give no way to independently verify the numbers and even the US NGO -and they are in bed with the MPAA/RIAA- couldn't verify those so called claims that should make everyone doubts those numbers from Spain as well.
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kevpc
MyCE Rookie
Posted on: 03 Jun 10 15:42
absolute bull s**t!! when the entertainment industry give customers what they want, when they want it and how they want it, then is the time to start complaining about so-called 'piracy' and the losses it 'may' cause. get definitive proof of the figures from independent sources, not from the 'industries' only and give fair comparisons. one download hasn't, doesn't and never will equal one lost sale. a 'try before you buy' option is needed as is the ability to return a disk if the content is not as touted to be, for a full refund, just like all other purchased items. still dont understand why one industry can have so much influence on all governments when other equally valued industries cant!
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honolua
New Member
Posted on: 03 Jun 10 18:39
I wish I could find it now but some time ago I read an article that tried to trace the origins of one of those RIAA 6-bagillion dollar claims. After all was said and done and many months of research, the author finally traced the origins of the music industries number to a report published in the 80's concerning copied computer software that one company had estimated translated into $50,000-150,000 one year (I want to say it was and estimate for Adobe Photoshop). Over the past two decades that higher number has been so badly hacked, inflated, multiplied, converted from dollars to units, then back to dollars using a higher base price, filled with assumptions and creative fudging that the people reporting these numbers don't even know where they came from. The truth is that these industries are spitting out the highest dollar figure they think the untrained masses will accept as "not completely made-up".

For an entertaining look at the world of statistics, go find a copy of a book called "How to Lie with Statistics" and you'll get an eye opener on how and why these statistics the RIAA and MPAA splatter all over the media are complete and utter nonsense. The book is 15+ years out of print so find it however you can.
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Morglum007
MyCE Senior Member
Posted on: 03 Jun 10 22:34
Just an important tip that doesnt seem to be fully understood outside Spain.

In the US, Spain is considered as Europe, and when Europe is considered, budgets like Germany or England are also considered. Moreover, cds and dvds prizes here in Spain are usually as high as in Germany, France or England, when general population are fairly over 1000€ per month. In Spain there are tons of piracy, because family budgets are not as high as it is in other EU regions, specially considering earned salaries VS goods cost.

Example: DVD release, Avatar, at 24€, Blu-ray at 35€. Just to be seen once. Not worth, not for that money.
Another one: Console Game: 65€ (Modern Warfare 2 for example)

Do you expect people can expend 6.5% of its salary into ONE game, or 3% in a movie when house cost are over 80% of the monthly earning?

Definitelly thats not real. Spain is not Germany, nor France, neither UK, but goods cost are the same. You cannot expect to obtain same profit from "hungry" and "thirsty" population.

Greetz
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DukeNukem
MyCE Resident Commenter
Posted on: 04 Jun 10 15:50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morglum007
Do you expect people can expend 6.5% of its salary into ONE game, or 3% in a movie when house cost are over 80% of the monthly earning?

Definitelly thats not real. Spain is not Germany, nor France, neither UK, but goods cost are the same. You cannot expect to obtain same profit from "hungry" and "thirsty" population.
So if I understand you correctly, and I think I do, it's okay to steal as long as you're poor. Hmm... I think you might be on to something here. Just as rich people shouldn't be lining up at the soup kitchens, neither should the poor be buying DVDs. It's all so clear to me now.
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debro
Blown to smitherines
Posted on: 06 Jun 10 12:43
Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeNukem
So if I understand you correctly, and I think I do, it's okay to steal as long as you're poor. Hmm... I think you might be on to something here. Just as rich people shouldn't be lining up at the soup kitchens, neither should the poor be buying DVDs. It's all so clear to me now.
Trolling? Lol.

I think he's pointing out that with an average income less than average living expenses, on average, entertainment sales are only a birthday & xmas thing.
But the studios are assuming every download is a lost sale, when the average sales are actually approaching zero per person. Therefore, because sales in this poor country do not match sales in a rich country (like the USA/Britain), then the Spanish are the scourge of the seven seas

The morality concerning downloading content for free versus paying for the content doesn't enter into his discussion.

You can't get blood out of a stone. You can't get money out of people without money.
Suing & ruining people that have no money, will just breed contempt & eventually revolt.

Don't punish the princes! Flog the peasants!

I can't help notice that Spain is in the poor basket with Greece .... as in *almost* bankrupt. Bankruptcy means everyone has lots of money, right
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Blu-rayFreak
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 07 Jun 10 23:21
@debro, great analysis & explanation!
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