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Plasma TV sales soar, really

Posted 19 August 2009 02:33 CET by Jared Newman

It’s hard to believe that consumers are flocking to plasma HDTVs because of their value, but that’s exactly what is happening according to one research group.

Quixel Research’s report on big-screen (40 inches and higher) HDTVs found that in the second quarter of this year, plasma TV sales were up 31 percent in units sold and 35 percent in money spent compared to last quarter. Overall, sales reached $910 million, even as LCD revenue fell and overall large-screen TV revenue was flat.

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The reason, as pointed out by the New York Times’ Gadgetwise, is the considerable savings gleaned when a buyer chooses a 720p plasma TV over a 1080p LCD display. Consumers can save roughly $500 by sacrificing the extra scan lines. For television and DVD watchers, that’s just fine, as those uses currently max out at 720p anyway. 1080p only becomes useful for Blu-ray and for high-definition gaming consoles, and even then the difference might not be enough to justify either a more expensive purchase or a smaller TV.

The report does suggest that consumers are opting for smaller 1080p LCD displays, noting that LCD sales remain flat overall since last quarter, and that these screens still hold 75 percent of the market. Still, the sudden uptick in plasma interest is hard to ignore.

Earlier this year, Vizio discontinued its plasma TVs because LCDs were moving faster off store shelves. Coupled with Pioneer pulling out of the TV business after halting its own plasma production a year earlier, it seemed plasma was waning. Quite the difference several hundred dollars makes in a down economy.

debro
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Posted on: 19 Aug 09 02:28
People are flocking to Plasma, because it's cheap up front, and their vision is blurred beyond the end of their nose
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sodomi
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Posted on: 19 Aug 09 03:04
well i wouldn't say that. at regular viewing distances 1080p on a 42" is still very small, hardly a theater type experience but at 6+ feet more like watching a small screen ...and so resolution does not matter as much. If you sit right up to the tv to play video games, then yes you will notice. at 50-60" then you start to really need the 1080p. but at budget 42", not so much. Its important, but not 500 dollar important
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shaolin007
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 19 Aug 09 03:27
1080p plasmas are still cheaper than 1080p LCD's that have a comparable PQ. Got my Sammy PN50A650 for $1500 and the LCD's that even competed with its PQ were far more expensive. The only thing I would ding plasma on is power consumption.
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debro
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Posted on: 19 Aug 09 04:55
Quote:
Originally Posted by shaolin007
The only thing I would ding plasma on is power consumption.
I wouldn't anymore.

Plasma's seems to be about 10% higher than LCD for a comparable size, for recent models.
On a strictly financial sense, the plasma seems like good value.
On an environmental note ... *shrugs* .. LCD is likely more efficient.

Only people with $$$$$ can sit back and whinge about long term environmental consequences of plasma.
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johnsmith91170
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Posted on: 19 Aug 09 08:40
Marked! I will check it later!thanks a lot.
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ivid
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 19 Aug 09 13:49
Plasmas are just plain better. They have better black levels and contrasts and have an overall more natural picuture (closer to CRT). I have never seen an LCD that comes close in PQ to my Marantz plasma, and its an old one. Granted its a a high-end professional model.

The number of pixels (720, 1080i/p) is not as important as the quality of the DSP that renders the image. My 1024x768 plasma is proof. I am a broadcast video engineer so take my word for it.

Debro, I think plasmas eat a lot more than 10% more than LCDs... I read something about this recently. Where do you get that number ?
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JJJB
CD Freaks Member
Posted on: 19 Aug 09 13:54
If you guys were going to buy a 60" 1080P today what do you suggest I buy to get the best picture for the best price? Model #'s??
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DrageMester
Retired Moderator
Posted on: 19 Aug 09 14:01
I personally fail to understand why CRT is being touted as the standard towards which "natural" picture quality is compared.

My new Sony LCD television beats the cr*p out of my old Sony Hi-Black Trinitron CRT television on any picture I can imagine - it's not even close. Same goes for my parents current Hitachi CRT television.

Perhaps Plasma televisions have very good picture quality, but it's not because they look like old CRT televisions.
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shaolin007
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 19 Aug 09 17:37
The reason they use CRT's as a standard is because CRT's have better black level than LCD's or even Plasma's, although the Pioneer Kuro's come very close.

Sort of explains why black level is important to PQ in 2nd paragraph.

http://www.practical-home-theater-guide.com/plasma-vs-lcd-1.html

"The gas cell structure within a plasma display is such that there is no light leaking between adjacent cells (or pixels). This enables a plasma display to display deeper blacks than its LCD counterpart.

Improved black level performance helps render better those difficult-to-define quality attributes like picture depth, scene detail - especially in television and movie scenes where lots of dark and light content is shown simultaneously, and color richness. Indirectly, a better black level also leads to better rendering of picture contrast.

In comparison, the nature of LCD technology – where a backlight shines through the LCD layer – makes it hard for it to achieve true blacks, i.e. true absence of light. There is always some light leakage between adjacent picture elements in an LCD panel.

In fact, the darkest images on a plasma TV can be as dark as a fraction of a candela. This corresponds to the 'brightness' of the turned-off phosphor. In the case of an LCD television, the 'brightness level' of the darkest picture scenes can be as high as 2 candelas - at times even more, and this when viewed just right in front of the LCD display. View the LCD screen at an angle, and you will find that its black level performance deteriorates significantly.

It is true that the latest improvements in LCD technology (more on this in our article on New LCD Technology), are doing a lot here, but plasma still enjoys a technological advantage. "
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DrageMester
Retired Moderator
Posted on: 19 Aug 09 18:15
Quote:
Originally Posted by shaolin007
The reason they use CRT's as a standard is because CRT's have better black level than LCD's or even Plasma's, although the Pioneer Kuro's come very close.
The black-level in CRT or Plasma is only perfect when there is no light in the room and no light coming in through the windows. I bet this situation only applies to a small percentage of the time people watch television - I can't think of the last time I watched TV like that, except once when checking for backlight bleeding on my new TV (there was none).

Under "normal" circumstances, the black-level on my LCD television is far superior to my old CRT, since there's a lot less reflection of ambient light in the screen.
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shaolin007
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 19 Aug 09 21:04
"Under "normal" circumstances, the black-level on my LCD television is far superior to my old CRT..."

Do you have equipment to actually prove that statement?

"The black-level in CRT or Plasma is only perfect when there is no light in the room and no light coming in through the windows."

Black level has nothing to do with how dark a room is. It affects PQ. My Samsung PN50A650 does just fine in a lighted room.

"Improved black level performance helps render better those difficult-to-define quality attributes like picture depth, scene detail..., and color richness. Indirectly, a better black level also leads to better rendering of picture contrast."
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DrageMester
Retired Moderator
Posted on: 19 Aug 09 21:36
Quote:
Originally Posted by shaolin007
"Under "normal" circumstances, the black-level on my LCD television is far superior to my old CRT..."

Do you have equipment to actually prove that statement?
No, but it's visible to the naked eye - the CRT screen is visibly grey, not black.

Reflections in the glass only makes this worse.

Quote:
"The black-level in CRT or Plasma is only perfect when there is no light in the room and no light coming in through the windows."

Black level has nothing to do with how dark a room is.
Yes it does. The screen can never be blacker than what it is with power turned off. In a lighted room try looking at a powered-off CRT television - most of them will not be anywhere near black. Only with absolutely no lighting in a room will the screen be perfectly black.
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shaolin007
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 19 Aug 09 22:27
Well, I guess we have a difference of opinion but a good argument nonetheless.

What model is your LCD?
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Crabbyappleton
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 20 Aug 09 01:15
I find it interesting that plasma is being phased out by companies as mentioned. It is sad because it is without doubt, the best way to present HD video in a large format. No matter where you set in a room, you have a great picture. LCD sucks as it is very sensitive to viewing angle. especially in the vertical range. Plasma does use more power, but this is because each pixel is lit, not some lame backlight source like LCD.

I mean, if you want to save money and spring for a LCD- knock yourself out! But when I hang a 40+ display on the wall, it is not just so 1 or 2 people can set in the "sweet spot" and watch a movie! I am gonna get the best display I can find and to heck with saving a few hundred dollars, then be stuck with something that doesn't get the job done.

Now, at my in-laws house, they have an LCD in a small living room and it is fine. But for a larger space, with more off to the side viewing etc, I think Plasma is the way to go. You can set at my bar and see the same vibrant picture as folks sitting on the couch, front and center.

I just wish my plasma would throw craps- so I could spring for a 60 inch display- while you can still get one!!! But after nearly 6 years, the damn thing is flawless. I have yet to touch the brightness controls on my little 42 inch Panny-

Panasonic was the best, as they displayed red correctly with their plasma line. All the other sets I looked at- looked orange instead. then when you threw in the Kuro black levels - it was like damn! I wish I had the money!!!
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Crabbyappleton
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 20 Aug 09 01:19
Would someone fix the darn edit...I wanted to put Pioneer in the Kuro conment. I meant to say, I would have like to ompare the 60+ Pioneer Kuro against a Panasonic display of the same size...
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platinumsword
Senior Moderator
Posted on: 20 Aug 09 02:22
Plasma

Advantage

Best black levels
Very good home theater image quality
Wide viewing angle

Disadvantage

Slight potential for burn-in
Reflective screen
Lower native resolution than similarly sized LCDs and LEDs for entry-level models
Not suited for high elevation levels

LCD

Advantage

Higher resolution than comparable-sized plasmas
No danger of burn-in
Available in a wide range of sizes

Disadvantage

Relatively expensive for larger panels
Black level quality generally not as good as plasma due to Cold-Cathode Fluorescent Lamp (CCFL) backlighting
Narrower viewing angle

LED (LCD)

Advantage

Plasma-like blacks
High energy efficiency
Ultra-slim design

Disadvantage

Priciest among all HDTVs
Limited screen sizes
Relatively narrower viewing angle


The near future for now will see a huge surge towards LED LCD TV's. The traditional LCD TV's as we know it will be dead. Plasma TV's will still be viable technology for the near to mid-term future.


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DrageMester
Retired Moderator
Posted on: 20 Aug 09 09:32
Quote:
Originally Posted by shaolin007
Well, I guess we have a difference of opinion but a good argument nonetheless.
One cannot and should not expect to agree on everything.

Quote:
What model is your LCD?
Sony Bravia KDL-37W5500

During daylight the subjective black level is far better than my old CRT, since the panel is blacker than the CRT and is matte instead of glossy.

With little to no daylight and normal room lighting, the black levels are subjectively roughly the same. The other aspects of picture quality are still much better on the new LCD than on the old CRT.

With no daylight and limited room lighting, the black level is not quite as good as the old CRT, but the overall picture quality is still much better than the old CRT.

If a light source is reflected directly in the screen, the matte LCD is far superior to the glossy CRT screen.

Plasma may or may not be better depending on your point of view, but I did not consider plasma as the primary option for me, so I didn't attempt to compare LCD vs Plasma picture quality before buying (I just verified that LCD was "good enough").

Plasma vs LCD has turned into a fervent religious war on some forums I visit, to the point of some people leaving the forums in disgust, so I don't want to fuel that fire.

What I'm trying to say is, that I think using CRT as a benchmark for how good television picture should look, is simply crazy talk!
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shaolin007
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 20 Aug 09 13:17
Not a bad tv you got there. It has some decent brightness for a LCD, 500cd/m^2. You want a score around 500 or higher. My Dell FPW2405 PC monitor was the only I could find, back in the day, that was over 500 several years ago. That was my deciding factor on the purchase. Most LCD's won't advertise the brightness because most LCD's have low scores.
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slayer2199
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Posted on: 20 Aug 09 16:48
I've got a 42" Panasonic plasma that I bought from a friend for a really good deal. Just as an end user here are my observations. Overall I would probably buy another plasma.

Disadvantages

Heat: This is worst thing about my plasma. In the summer its in the warmest room of the house and adds to it significantly. In the winter it actually helps warm the room. This would be the #1 thing considered before I bought another one.

Power usage: Definitely more power used than a LCD. I like to keep my energy bills as low as possible, and its hard not to think about all the power it's using on top of keeping the a/c running longer.

Advantages

Picture Quality: I've got the plasma connected to my PC via HDMI, and I when I'm doing graphics work I will display on there once in a while instead of trusting my LCD PC monitor.

Viewing angle: My primary computer sits on the opposite wall and a ways off to the side. I can be working at the computer and watching a tv program with my wife, and I'm able to see the full picture with correct coloring.
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ivid
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 20 Aug 09 17:55
Believe it or not DrageMesterm CRT did have excellent brighness, the best color, black levels and viewing angles. It took a long time for plasmas to come close to the natural image of a CRT, the color, black levels, contrasts etc..
Obviously there were alot of crappy CRTs but I'm talking about the SOny Trinitrons, Panasonic GAOO, good Toshiba's etc..

Pioneer Kuro would be my choice for a new plasma of any size. No question. If Marantz still made plasmas then it would be Marantz.. But they don't.
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murray_bredin
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Posted on: 21 Aug 09 01:52
Hi to all ...could any one ..give me feedback to the difference between ...pal...versus....ntsc ....in plasma is there a difference in picture /screen... quality ...muzza.
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UTR
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 21 Aug 09 02:21
I went by BestBuy tonight to compare their LCD and plasma TVs after reading this thread. I plan to buy a flat screen in the next few weeks and had decided on an LCD. Now I am not sure. Looking at plasma verses LCD with same size screens and resolution I think the plasma TVs might have better picture quality. Especially when price is considered. What I noticed the most is the better contrast of the plasma sets. The blacks definitely seemed blacker to me. Also, the smoothness of the motion was better on the plasma sets and to get the same on the LCD sets they had to be 120hz or 240hz. The 60hz sets had problems with motion scenes, IMO. Now I think getting a plasma set is the better deal. Especially considering there doesn't seem to be any longevity problems with the newer plasma TVs.
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shaolin007
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 21 Aug 09 03:42
Quote:
Originally Posted by murray_bredin
Hi to all ...could any one ..give me feedback to the difference between ...pal...versus....ntsc ....in plasma is there a difference in picture /screen... quality ...muzza.
Google it.


@UTR

You won't be disappointed man. This place has a ton of stuff on plasma.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-televisions/

Helped me get my Samsung PN50A650. If you can find that one, it is worth every penny. I think I have seen it for around $1000 on the net.
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UTR
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 21 Aug 09 03:59
I have to say I was somewhat shocked at how good the plasma TVs looked to me. I know it is personal preference but plasma technology has come a long way from its early days. Now I have to regroup and start looking at the plasma sets that are available. Thanks for the tip on the Samsung set and the web site.

One other thing I did notice with the plasma TVs is that there seems to be a more noticeable difference in picture quality between 720p and 1080p resolutions. More so than with LCD sets.
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shaolin007
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 21 Aug 09 04:05
Depends on the size of the set and how far away you are sitting. Anything 50" and under, you probably won't notice much difference between 720 and 1080 from 6-10ft away.

Once you get your TV, goto TV Tweak and use the settings they have there.
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UTR
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 21 Aug 09 04:15
Any thoughts on this set?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1218079781067

Also, are plasma TVs sensitive to magnetic interference like CRTs?

Actually, it looks like the Insignia set that I linked to is a rebadged Samsung PN50B430.
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platinumsword
Senior Moderator
Posted on: 21 Aug 09 04:26
Quote:
Originally Posted by UTR
I have to say I was somewhat shocked at how good the plasma TVs looked to me. I know it is personal preference but plasma technology has come a long way from its early days. Now I have to regroup and start looking at the plasma sets that are available. Thanks for the tip on the Samsung set and the web site.

One other thing I did notice with the plasma TVs is that there seems to be a more noticeable difference in picture quality between 720p and 1080p resolutions. More so than with LCD sets.

You said it. It comes down to personal preference.

If one were to take a Brand ? TV and place it in a room with skirting around it so you did not know what the TV was and played a HD movie, Most people could not tell you if it was a Plasma or LCD or LED LCD.

Only being in a position of where you can make a true comparison is where you'll see the difference, otherwise you would never know.

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platinumsword
Senior Moderator
Posted on: 21 Aug 09 04:28
Quote:
Originally Posted by UTR
Any thoughts on this set?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1218079781067

Also, are plasma TVs sensitive to magnetic interference like CRTs?

Not susceptible to magnetic interference.

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debro
Blown to smitherines
Posted on: 21 Aug 09 10:16
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrageMester
One cannot and should not expect to agree on everything.

Sony Bravia KDL-37W5500

During daylight the subjective black level is far better than my old CRT, since the panel is blacker than the CRT and is matte instead of glossy.

With little to no daylight and normal room lighting, the black levels are subjectively roughly the same. The other aspects of picture quality are still much better on the new LCD than on the old CRT.

With no daylight and limited room lighting, the black level is not quite as good as the old CRT, but the overall picture quality is still much better than the old CRT.

If a light source is reflected directly in the screen, the matte LCD is far superior to the glossy CRT screen.

Plasma may or may not be better depending on your point of view, but I did not consider plasma as the primary option for me, so I didn't attempt to compare LCD vs Plasma picture quality before buying (I just verified that LCD was "good enough").
I've been running around looking at the current crop of LCD's & Plasma's, and am sorely disappointed with the PQ of nearly all models <$2500au, including the plasma TV's - and those sizes are all <42", sizes that I shouldn't be noticing PQ issues, due to the reduced size.

I'm considering the Sony Bravia KDL-32W5500, since it's close to the $1500au budget my missus has imposed .... although it's a secondary (spare/bedroom) TV, and it's one of the few models (series) that I've actually been impressed with. I'd prefer the 37", but it's >$2000au here
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chazzbo
New Member
Posted on: 22 Aug 09 21:05
Uhh think it's plain that now Panasonic (and Pioneer while sold and then serviced by Panny while there here) have stopped burn in (yeah leave on all night and first power up ghost is there but it disappears).Just run a Plasma at 50% contrast and brightness down for first 150 hours. and you should get 20K hrs. lifetime same as LCD.
I dunnow I have been out of it for a while but band for buck in large sets (50" plus) it's Plasma all the way.No depending on 120 hrz filter (240 I can't see any diff) and the all important bit engine used in LCD you can get a 50" Pansanonic G10 Plasma with much less motion blue and deep blacks.In 37-46 it's a toss up because of cost but your going to pay more for LCD yet not as much on big screen.Also ambient light.If bright room no matter size LCD is better.But drapes cure that.
For bedroom 32-37 with TV and DVD 720 LCD.LCD 1080P Samsung up to 46" but big $$$.My choice for main room for that big G10 50" (using Blue Ray) Blu-Ray is a dream for $1300.Try doubling price or more for equivalent Sony or Samsung LCD.CRT?Given weight and size and availability why do folks even speak of it since it won't do 1080i/p?All could change if OLED comes down in price but now it's rich mans folly
Chazzbo
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SilvrDrgn
New on Forum
Posted on: 23 Aug 09 15:02
I'll take my 50" Pioneer Elite Kuro plasma (model PRO-1150HD) over any other TV any day! :-)
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Zathros
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 24 Aug 09 00:02
For the money you could get a 1080p LCD projector that would blow away all these TV's and give you a true theater like experience. Since the panels are so small there is no problem with latency. As far as black levels go, the highest quality movie theaters are using LCD projectors, albeit, they are mega expensive. My old LCD projector still gives me a better experience than I could get from any Plasma or LCD tv, as I watch movies at 100 inches (diagonal) and could never afford a tv that big.
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debro
Blown to smitherines
Posted on: 24 Aug 09 08:00
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zathros
For the money you could get a 1080p LCD projector that would blow away all these TV's and give you a true theater like experience.
Unfortunately, I can't, for several reasons:
  1. The cheapest 1080p projector is 50% more than the 32" TV I want, without going into seeing the projectors in action.
  2. The sound system is a seperate cost - projectors have terrible (mono) sound, and the screen is a seperate cost, and my bedroom will not be a dedicated theatre either, so no black walls & windows.
  3. The (expensive-$500-800au) lamps needs replacement every 800hrs or so, depending on use. My missus is technologically illiterate, and is likley to turn it off, on, off in the space of 30 seconds, thereby reducing the life of the lamp to about 5 minutes
  4. And most importantly is ... the missus is a clumsy git, and is likely to kunge the poor projector and break it, or knock it down and break it, or if it's mounted on the ceiling, will king hit it with a sheet, pillow blanket, foot, or whatever, and bring the roof down
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Zathros
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 24 Aug 09 12:39
I have had my projector or 6 years and use it around 6 hrs. a week. The walls are not painted black and I have never used the sound from my TV, eww. They last longer than you think and if it is a Sanyo it has a 3 years parts and labor warranty. You'll never get that with any other TV or any type. My lamp cools down in about 30 seconds and all you do it shut if off, it does the rest. Mine is mounted on the ceiling and my wife is not allowed to touch it except through the remote. I have taken it camping and projected movies onto the side of my motorhome. (I know, camping in a motorhome is not camping).
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shaolin007
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 24 Aug 09 15:33
Projectors work best in low light conditions. If I was to make a man-cave, I might actually get one but for normal living room use, a tv is best.
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Zathros
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 25 Aug 09 01:13
I don't get the "low light" myth. This was true with old projectors but not so much for the newer ones. I do not have to darken my room for movies and pulling down a few shades isn't that big an effort.

My next time around I will be going for a 42" LCD and a better projector. Nothing compares to the projector experience.
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shaolin007
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 25 Aug 09 01:21
What is the brightness rating in cd/m^2 for that projector you have?
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Zathros
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 25 Aug 09 16:29
Quote:
Originally Posted by shaolin007
What is the brightness rating in cd/m^2 for that projector you have?
Don't know, the projector is almost 6 years old now. It is a Sanyo PLC- XW-15. I know you'll probably come back with a bunch of specs but owning and watching is a different experience than mental masturbation. I have still yet to see a 50" TV or any make or format that gives me the same experience. I have seen better projectors though and what you can get for $2000+/- will give you one helluva projector.
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DrageMester
Retired Moderator
Posted on: 25 Aug 09 16:35
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zathros
... but owning and watching is a different experience than mental masturbation.
I guess we don't need to ask exactly which type of movies you are owning and watching on your projector?!
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Zathros
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 25 Aug 09 20:02
HahHahHahHah!! I could probably be a Gynecologist. In all honesty I really like Sci-FI. Big Sci-Fi Vaginas!!
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shaolin007
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 25 Aug 09 20:17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zathros
Don't know, the projector is almost 6 years old now. It is a Sanyo PLC- XW-15. I know you'll probably come back with a bunch of specs but owning and watching is a different experience than mental masturbation. I have still yet to see a 50" TV or any make or format that gives me the same experience. I have seen better projectors though and what you can get for $2000+/- will give you one helluva projector.



O......K....., I just asked a simple question and I get a mental masturbation repsonse, wow!

Anyways, for your info, brightness deals with how good your projector or LCD performs in brightly lit situations. For a LCD, 500cd/m^2 or higher is good for purposes of watching the screen in a brightly lighted room. 800 or higher for watching a LCD in sunlight. Your projector is rated at 800 lumens new, keyword new because that lamp will dim as it ages.

This site does give an idea of how it correlates to how bright your room should be and image size.

http://www.theprojectorpros.com/lear...ors_bright.htm

Your contrast rating is 300:1 which isn't really that great. I am sure there are some awesome projectors out there that output a wonderful picture but probably at a premium price. I will stick with my tv, cheaper. But like I said before, years down the road when I do get my man-cave, I might feel the need to invest in a good projector for the ultimate theater experience.
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Zathros
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 25 Aug 09 21:37
Like I said, my projector is 6 to 7 YEARS OLD!! I prefaced my comment with that. You couldn't resist looking it up to make your point. You are speaking of numbers not the experience. Sanyo has quite a few projectors that exceed 2000 lumens and do 1080p. They also come with a 3 year warranty. You'll never get that with any TV.

My projector is on the ceiling in a 22 by 22 ft room. The sofa is 14 feet away from the screen and no TV LCD or Plasma TV compares to the large screen experience.

The Sanyo PLV-3000 will blow away any TV you can get. 16000 : 1 contrast ratio and 1200 Lumens. The list price is $2395, they can be had cheaper with smart shopping. Again, a 3 year warranty. Full 1080p resolution and 120 Hz refresh and no noticeable latency because the LCD panels are so small. My projector has no noticeable fade in the bulb. I have never had to adjust the brightness (maybe lower it for THX Optimizer). A lot of what you say is projector "myth". I have seen these projectors because in Connecticut there are stores that have them mounted and display them. Real experience trumps "what you've read" 99% of the time. Like I said, "mental masturbation".


http://www.projectorpeople.com/proje...anyo+PLV-Z3000

I am not trying to get into a pissing contest, but like Louis Armstrong said about Jazz, "If you don't know, I can't tell you".

When I got my projector it was the best projector in that price range, you would have had to spend $4000 to get the same features from anyone else. I spent $2000 and almost 7 years later is still performs flawlessly.
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debro
Blown to smitherines
Posted on: 25 Aug 09 23:23
Zat's projector -> http://www.projectorcentral.com/Sanyo-PLC-XW15.htm

http://www.projectisle.com.au/produc...px?ProdId=7462

At $5,000au + $500@2000 hours.. it's a tad out of my $1500au price range for a bedroom TV - $4100 for the cheapest I can find it

65000:1 dynamic contrast ratio & 1200 lumen output looks nice though ...

Any contrast ratio over 300:1 is more than adequate for a dimly lit room, most standard LCD computer monitors are 300:1, and high quality (or at least expensive) LCD monitors upto 1000:1, and no-ones complaining about the brightness.
Projector lamps have taken great strides in the last few years concerning light output.
In a few more years, LED will take over the current replaceable lamps. The LED's will work for 25,000hrs+ (Some idiots are gabbing on about 50K+, but they're full of $hit, because 50K hrs is generally at 10% original lumen output, when its useless) at acceptable light output, and projectors will have lifetimes measured in decades, even though warranties will still only be 1-3years

Currently though, standard TV's are more convenient. I haven't moved into our new house yet either, so I can't run permanent cabling through the walls
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shaolin007
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 26 Aug 09 01:48
@Zathros

No need to get bent out of shape. I am not having a pissing contest with you. I was curious what the brightness rating for your unit is. You took it the wrong way. Whether you masturbate or not to it, is your concern. Just joking on that last sentence.
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Zathros
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 26 Aug 09 02:04
Quote:
Originally Posted by shaolin007
@Zathros

No need to get bent out of shape. I am not having a pissing contest with you. I was curious what the brightness rating for your unit is. You took it the wrong way. Whether you masturbate or not to it, is your concern. Just joking on that last sentence.
I don't take any of this stuff serious, except masturbating, that can be serious. More like, Na na na na na!!!
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weedougie
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 26 Aug 09 09:16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zathros
I don't take any of this stuff serious, except masturbating, that can be serious. More like, Na na na na na!!!
How's your eyesight, I understand that it can be affected by use of this personal habit. I tried to read up on it at the local library but got some funny looks, my eyesight not being too good lately.
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Zathros
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 26 Aug 09 13:36
Quote:
Originally Posted by weedougie
How's your eyesight, I understand that it can be affected by use of this personal habit. I tried to read up on it at the local library but got some funny looks, my eyesight not being too good lately.
Sorry, for some reason I am having trouble reading your post and my penis just fell off.
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KimbaWLion
New on Forum
Posted on: 04 Sep 09 01:35
I ended up getting a Pioneer Krp-500m, a 50" plasma with a stand for an EXTREMELY good price. I saw NOTHING that was as good for comparable money. Maybe there is better but nothing with paying a WHOLE lot more.
Just my 2 cents just like everybody else.
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