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US to launch Operation Global Hoax anti-piracy initiative

Posted at 24 June 2010 19:32 CEST by Randomus

President Barack Obama plans to lead his administration against counterfeit and pirated goods by launching ‘Operation Global Hoax,’ a 35-nation effort to combat illegal activities.

The Justice and Commerce departments will be involved in Operation Global Hoax, which will aim to battle everything from pirated material to counterfeit drugs and car tires.

The Obama administration wants to find new ways to protect against piracy and counterfeit goods, with intellectual property issues expected to receive more support from the FBI.  Obama hand picked several former music studio group executives and lawyers for his staff, so it’s no surprise that his administration now wants to pursue anti-piracy measures.

“This is theft, clear and simple,” noted U.S. Vice President Joe Biden.  “It’s smash and grab, no different than a guy walking down Fifth Avenue and smashing the window at Tiffany’s and reaching in and grabbing what’s in the window.”

Comparing P2P piracy to a smash and grab never seemed appropriate to me, but it works for anti-piracy supporters.  If the federal government is to become more active in anti-piracy work, I hope it remains at a business level — not individual cases of P2P piracy among regular citizens.

The Intellectual Property Enforcement Coordinator noted that her office will take a look into what the country has done to prevent piracy and other intellectual property infringement.

Both the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) and Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) have shown support for the new government-led initiative to crackdown on piracy.  They also showed support when the DoJ announced it supported higher copyright infringement fines for P2P pirates who download music and movies.

Even though the federal government has sided with copyright groups in the past, there is a noticeable shift taking place in Washington.  A political consensus that was considered disorganized and unprofessional is now sorting itself out and gaining traction among lawmakers.

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Mr. Belvedere
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 24 Jun 10 21:27
    Ooooh.... 35 nations are completing a hoax.
    Why, that's impressive.. i guess..

    Awesome. This will be the ultimate test for The Pirate Bay. Can't wait to find out the results...
    rla
    Banned
    Posted on: 24 Jun 10 21:42
      I wish that jackass Obama would quit blowing my money on worthless shit. God please hurry up and get us to 2012 so we can get someone in the Presidency who actually has a record of leadership and accomplishment. These moronic clowns make George Bush look like Einstein.
      UTR
      MyCE Resident
      Posted on: 25 Jun 10 03:15
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Mr. Belvedere
        Awesome. This will be the ultimate test for The Pirate Bay. Can't wait to find out the results...
        My money is on The Pirate Bay.


        Quote:
        Originally Posted by rla
        I wish that jackass Obama would quit blowing my money on worthless shit. God please hurry up and get us to 2012 so we can get someone in the Presidency who actually has a record of leadership and accomplishment. These moronic clowns make George Bush look like Einstein.
        Amen, brother. Obama is doing more damage to this country than I ever thought one person could accomplish in less than two years. I am not sure the country can recuperate from him running a muck for another two years. I hope enough Democrats are voted out of Congress this November to politically paralyze him until the 2012 election gets here and he, and his minions, can be sent back to the Chicago political cesspool they came from.

        This "operation" is really just what we need. Bog down the FBI with going after pirated DVDs etc. while terrorists plan the next 9-11 and the southern border becomes a full fledged war zone. This is just payback to the liberals he owes in California. They helped to bankroll him and now they need payback like the UAW, SEIU and other unions received. Obama should be as concerned with cleaning up the Gulf and "plugging the damn hole" as he is with this type of garbage.
        getit29
        MyCE Resident
        Posted on: 25 Jun 10 05:37
          (Disclaimer) This is not meant as a political put down or anything like that
          just the facts the way I see them and a joke or two.



          (The facts as I see them)

          Change was what was promised and change is what is happening The United States Of America is
          changing from the richest Country in the free world into almost a third world Country all in just 2
          short years just imagine where we'll be after 2 more years.




          Now since the subject of President Obama has come up in this
          thread anyway here is a joke I received the other day hehehehe

          (Now the jokes)

          Robot Bartender

          Guy goes into a bar, there's a robot bartender.

          The robot says, "What will you have?"

          The guy says, "Martini."

          The robot brings back the best martini ever and says to the man,

          "What's your IQ?"

          The guy says, "168."

          The robot then proceeds to talk about physics,

          Space exploration and medical technology.

          The guy leaves, but he is curious...

          So he goes back into the bar.

          The robot bartender says, "What will you have?"

          The guy says, "Martini."

          Again, the robot makes a great martini gives it to the man and says,

          "What's your IQ?"

          The guy says, "100."

          The robot then starts to talk about Nascar, Budweiser and John Deere tractors.

          The guy leaves, but finds it very interesting,

          So he thinks he will try it one more time.

          He goes back into the bar.

          The robot says, "What will you have?"

          The guy says, "Martini," and the robot brings him another great martini.

          The robot then says, "What's your IQ?"

          The guy says, "Duh, about 10."

          The robot leans in real close and says,

          "So, you people still happy you voted for Obama?"



          The newest toy craze to hit the American store shelves
          UTR
          MyCE Resident
          Posted on: 25 Jun 10 06:55
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by getit29
            Change was what was promised and change is what is happening.
            The "change" that was promised is not the "change" we are getting. We were promised fiscal responsibility, bipartisanship, lower taxes, no tax increases on the middle class, heath care reform that wouldn't break the bank etc. What we are getting is the exact opposite. I think Obama thought the public would trust him blindly, we wouldn't care what he did and/or we are too stupid to figure out what he is doing. Well, that strategy was torpedoed by the Tea Party movement.

            People are paying attention and not only did Obama lie to us during his campaign, he also misrepresented his competence to perform even the basic duties of president. His lack of executive experience and/or inability to reason through problems to enact workable solutions is glaringly apparent. Especially with the Gulf oil spill. He couldn't stop the leak but he has been abysmal at mitigating the environmental and economic damage it has caused. God help us all if we have an even larger tragedy strike this country under his watch.

            But hey, he is going to really go after those copy right offenders. I can just imagine the new round of lawsuits the RIAA is salivating over. Maybe the MPAA will do the same.
            Mr. Belvedere
            MyCE Resident
            Posted on: 25 Jun 10 09:20
              The american people seem to keep forgetting your president has to follow orders. Some agreements were made and he can't reverse them single handedly.

              There are also huge amounts of money involved.

              Huge amounts of money (the investments corporations made in congrespeople and other political figures) that are destined to make even more huge amounts of money (happily legally robbing the public and the government from their money).

              I think it's a safe bet that Mr. Biden doesn't give a rats ass about anybody at all and how much they pirate movies and games. What he really does care about are the huge amounts of money that are to be made.


              The reason i am intereseted in what they will do to The Pirate Bay is to see how far US influence can go. I don't think they can find a legal way to shut down the The Pirate Bay for good. Especially since it is hosted by a legitemate political party. That would involve a major political shift for a lot of governments. If the people behind The Pirate Bay are smart they already have lots of clones residing in Iceland and 3rd world countries that nobody ever can control, even the local governments. Shouldn't be too hard, since it was already explained time and time again that the complete website of The Pirate Bay isn't that big. Hell, people could made ready-to-run Ghost of Virtual Machines clones of the complete website! Why not use a sort of torrent protocol to make the website everywhere on the net?

              So.. what's next... disrupt all torrent traffic? Make torrent traffic illegal? Can it be finally the time that they combine WASTE, uTorrent, Magnet, TOR and VPN TSL connections?

              I hope some Chinamen develop a nice PCI card/USB dongle/device that will do all those things for your pc automatically. Total freedom of your bandwith, no matter who your isp is.

              This decade is gonna be awesome!
              getit29
              MyCE Resident
              Posted on: 25 Jun 10 10:39
                Quote:
                Originally Posted by Mr. Belvedere
                Huge amounts of money (the investments corporations made in congrespeople and other political figures) that are destined to make even more huge amounts of money (happily legally robbing the public and the government from their money).

                I think it's a safe bet that Mr. Biden doesn't give a rats ass about anybody at all and how much they pirate movies and games. What he really does care about are the huge amounts of money that are to be made.
                It's like I always say we have the very best government that..................... money can buy.

                Everyone needs to see this video from James David Manning PhD from the Manning Report he calls
                the President a Long Legged Mac Daddy among a few other things and really gives him hell and sings
                a little song about him but I won't give away what the song is about here the video was quite funny to
                me.

                I applaud you Mr.Manning
                Make sure to watch the whole video
                http://la-gun.com/email/manning
                darwin03
                MyCE Junior Member
                Posted on: 27 Jun 10 14:24
                  The worst type of criminals in my book are the corrupt officials and government taking dirty money from corrupt companies, and we all know that Money these days buys governments and laws, what they forget is that things change with time and greed will be their undoing, and most of all they forget that the beauty of the truth is that the truth will come out and it is not a matter of if only when, and I think it will be soon in the not to distant future.

                  If you do not believe me just wait and see what happens and remember life can be much stranger than fiction. And when it does happen I will piss myself laughing at the greedy corrupt scum getting what they deserve.
                  debro
                  Blown to smitherines
                  Posted on: 28 Jun 10 05:06
                    Quote:
                    Originally Posted by darwin03
                    The worst type of criminals in my book are the corrupt officials and government taking dirty money from corrupt companies, and we all know that Money these days buys governments and laws, what they forget is that things change with time and greed will be their undoing, and most of all they forget that the beauty of the truth is that the truth will come out and it is not a matter of if only when, and I think it will be soon in the not to distant future.

                    If you do not believe me just wait and see what happens and remember life can be much stranger than fiction. And when it does happen I will piss myself laughing at the greedy corrupt scum getting what they deserve.
                    Assuming that "some day" criminals will get their come-uppance is just a pipe-dream. Someone/something has to make it happen. Sitting back & waiting for something to happen makes you an alibi in the crime ... you know it's happening .. but you don't do anything about it.

                    Officials aren't necessarily corrupt .... but corporations will tend to "sponsor" officials that have interests aligning with their own ..

                    Throughout history ... the rich were always rich, they have the $$$ to weather the changes, or the $$$ to effect change in their favour.
                    Apart from chopping the rich's head off .. nothing will change, unless everyone rallies together ..... even if you lop the head off these companies/government .. there is a whole conga line of corrupt replacements ...

                    At any rate ... who owns the corporations? Aren't a whole bunch of mum & dad investors investing in companies that are lobbying the government to change laws for the corporations interest, but eroding civil liberties?

                    So ... who's to blame ...
                    If everyone is investing in corporations that are lobbying against personal freedoms ... isn't that interpreted as people providing approval to the corporations activities?

                    If people want change, people have to act.
                    If if every mum & dad investor pulled their investment dollars out of companies that are members of the RIAA/MPAA ... it might send a message to fatcat executives ... or at least reduce excess cash to the point where they can't afford to hire teams of lawyers to bankrupt kindergarten children & IT illiterate grandmothers.

                    And then you can boycott products from companies that are eroding your civil rights. Stop buying what's cheap, and buy what is right!
                    Mr. Belvedere
                    MyCE Resident
                    Posted on: 28 Jun 10 09:23
                      Quote:
                      Originally Posted by debro
                      So ... who's to blame ...
                      That's the most wonderful thing of the current system. There is not a single person to blame. There are investors, boards of executives, share holders, consumers, etc. etc.

                      ---------

                      They all cannot be singlehandedly blamed for the entire process. It's impossible.

                      Seen that BP executive that claims "he wants his life back?" after the oil disaster. Now somebody else is the scapegoat and he "got his life back a little". Nobody cares anymore. Nobody knows his name. Nobody thinks he singlehandedly created the oil spill.

                      That's the beauty of this system. Nobody can blame anybody, except when you catch them right in the act.

                      -----------

                      So, back to on topic.

                      I'm very very curious on how the American government are gonna enforce their rules on European, Asian and African internet service providers.

                      I'm very very curious on how local politics will handle US politics.

                      Can the local Non-US citizen citizen be cut off the internet because US politics demands it? I'm very curious to watch The Pirate Bay go down completely, or rise up from lots of different graves all together, perhaps include the encryption technology i mentioned before. They can pull it off, maybe even the NSA will have to claim this is a monster that, once unleashed, cannot be beaten back into its cage.

                      My money is on The Pirate Bay for now. They are currently hosted by a political party. I'm pretty sure the US can't send a bunch of SEALS to a political party to whack them unnoticed.
                      ivid
                      MyCE Resident
                      Posted on: 28 Jun 10 18:48
                        RIAA and MPAA showed support ? Please! No doubt they paid Obama big $$$ during his campaign to ensure he would follow through with these actions.
                        What would make a politician with no professional music or film industry experience hire a bunch of riaa/mpaa lawyers & execs ? Hmmmmm...
                        samlar
                        MyCE Resident
                        Posted on: 01 Jul 10 10:06
                          Quote:
                          Originally Posted by UTR
                          My money is on The Pirate Bay.




                          Amen, brother. Obama is doing more damage to this country than I ever thought one person could accomplish in less than two years. I am not sure the country can recuperate from him running a muck for another two years. I hope enough Democrats are voted out of Congress this November to politically paralyze him until the 2012 election gets here and he, and his minions, can be sent back to the Chicago political cesspool they came from.

                          This "operation" is really just what we need. Bog down the FBI with going after pirated DVDs etc. while terrorists plan the next 9-11 and the southern border becomes a full fledged war zone. This is just payback to the liberals he owes in California. They helped to bankroll him and now they need payback like the UAW, SEIU and other unions received. Obama should be as concerned with cleaning up the Gulf and "plugging the damn hole" as he is with this type of garbage.
                          Obama would have to go a long way to do as much damaged as little bush did but outside of pushing a 800 dollar tax cut for the working class only, which no president had done before, he has let congress pass bills that do nothing but help business. I seems like everyone who gets into office says they are going to do the right thing, then all they do is spend spend spend no matter which party they are from. The problem is simple we need a third party in this country
                          UTR
                          MyCE Resident
                          Posted on: 01 Jul 10 18:03
                            Quote:
                            Originally Posted by samlar
                            Obama would have to go a long way to do as much damaged as little bush did but outside of pushing a 800 dollar tax cut for the working class only, which no president had done before, he has let congress pass bills that do nothing but help business. I seems like everyone who gets into office says they are going to do the right thing, then all they do is spend spend spend no matter which party they are from. The problem is simple we need a third party in this country
                            I have no love for the Republicans that preceded the current crop of Democrats. What bothers me is that Democrats are bashing Bush for his behavior and then are turning around and doing the same behavior, only doing it far worse than Bush did. Bush was driving the car toward the cliff at 60 mph. Obama, Reid and Pelosi are driving the car toward the cliff at 180 mph. At this speed we will be over the edge of the cliff and free falling before we have a chance to slam on the brakes. Not only is Obama traveling at three times the speed Bush was traveling, he also cut the brake lines before taking his position in the driver's seat and never bothered to get a valid drivers license (aka experience).
                            samlar
                            MyCE Resident
                            Posted on: 02 Jul 10 10:52
                              I would say they are doing everything worse than bush but somethings yes. I can remember the last republican I vote for saying he would Balanced the Budget but instead we got a deficit larger than all others combined. (Ronald Reagan). We came within one vote of passing a balance budget Amendment while Clinton was president and the republicans controlled both the house and senate. I knew when I voted for Ronald Reagan that a balance budget was the most important thing for this country but it did not happen. In a few years we will be forced to do things that we would not have had to do had we got it then.
                              Mr. Belvedere
                              MyCE Resident
                              Posted on: 02 Jul 10 11:41
                                Could we go back on topic?
                                samlar
                                MyCE Resident
                                Posted on: 02 Jul 10 14:38
                                  I wandered how long it would take before we got told to get back on topic
                                  wizardB
                                  New Member
                                  Posted on: 02 Jul 10 21:48
                                    Remember you get the government you deserve!
                                    samlar
                                    MyCE Resident
                                    Posted on: 03 Jul 10 00:01
                                      no no no I vote each time I deserve better a lot lot lot lot better than I have ever got. We get the government that money buys not what we deserve but were still off topic so unless we want to here again from the nice Mr Belvedere we had better get back on topic. Wait I forgot what the topic was.
                                      Kerroj
                                      MyCE Rookie
                                      Posted on: 15 Jul 10 20:56
                                        Quote:
                                        Originally Posted by rla
                                        I wish that jackass Obama would quit blowing my money on worthless shit. God please hurry up and get us to 2012 so we can get someone in the Presidency who actually has a record of leadership and accomplishment. These moronic clowns make George Bush look like Einstein.
                                        Oh yeah.. we need another Republicant in office to keep blowing our money on 2 wars, maybe even start a 3rd or a 4th.. and deregulate the finance sector again because the free market can regulate itself, right? And like any other Republicant would do any different as far as supporting anti-piracy measures..
                                        UTR
                                        MyCE Resident
                                        Posted on: 16 Jul 10 04:14
                                          The estimates shown on the following chart for Obama are far higher now compared to when the chart was created.

                                          http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/...amabudget1.jpg

                                          Bush looks like Scrooge compared to Obama. Notice the sharp increase in the deficit when the Democrats took control of Congress in 2007? Look at the trend line for the years prior to 2007. They were declining fast and the budget would have likely balanced by 2008.
                                          Kerroj
                                          MyCE Rookie
                                          Posted on: 16 Jul 10 04:59
                                            Yeah.. and what was the deficit under Clinton before the Bush took office?
                                            UTR
                                            MyCE Resident
                                            Posted on: 16 Jul 10 05:49
                                              Quote:
                                              Originally Posted by Kerroj
                                              Yeah.. and what was the deficit under Clinton before the Bush took office?
                                              Even better but Clinton had a Republican controlled Congress from 1995-2000. After Democrats got their clocks cleaned in the 1994 mid term elections and lost control of Congress, Clinton made a hard tack to the center. He passed nearly all the Contract With America items the Republicans ran on in 1994. This is what set up the budget surpluses in the subsequent years. Clinton had little to do with it other that listening to his instincts of political self preservation. He wanted to be re-elected in 1996 and became fairly conservative to hedge his bets. Don't give Clinton too much credit for those surpluses. He had to be dragged to them by Republicans.
                                              samlar
                                              MyCE Resident
                                              Posted on: 16 Jul 10 07:26
                                                No it did not what set up the buget suplus was Old Bush raising the taxes on the rich before Clinton got it office, Y2K and the Internet boom, which had nothing to do with Clinton. If Clinton had listen to Republicans he would have cut taxes on the rich like little Bush did, which started the problems we are in now. Of course what the leader of the Republicans now wants to do is Raise the age for social Security to 70 to pay for little bushes war.
                                                Both parties are bad bad bad but all of this is off topic.
                                                Kerroj
                                                MyCE Rookie
                                                Posted on: 16 Jul 10 07:43
                                                  The Contract With America was just a political sham perpetuated by Newt Gingrich and his ilk and they deserve no credit whatsoever in my view for the Clinton surplus.
                                                  UTR
                                                  MyCE Resident
                                                  Posted on: 16 Jul 10 14:04
                                                    Quote:
                                                    Originally Posted by Kerroj
                                                    The Contract With America was just a political sham perpetuated by Newt Gingrich and his ilk and they deserve no credit whatsoever in my view for the Clinton surplus.
                                                    You can ignore history but you can't change it. The Contract With America is why there was budget surpluses in the late 1990s and early 2000s. You are seeing through a prism of political bias and can't acknowledge the truth. The period of the mid 1990s is when Republicans got it right and the results spoke for themselves. It is a shame that the lessons learned from that experience have been lost by both political parties.

                                                    What do you think caused the budget surpluses in question? If it was Clinton, then what did he do specifically to make it happen?
                                                    samlar
                                                    MyCE Resident
                                                    Posted on: 16 Jul 10 19:24
                                                      Go here and read it UTR almost all of the bills with the contract with America did not get out of the senate or house and the one thing that would have really made a difference was the line item veto which the Republican and big business supreme court ruled unconstitutional.
                                                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_with_America

                                                      And there was nothing that passed that really did much to help the budget surplus. Like I said Old Bush tax incease, W2K and then internet caused the surplus. Also I might as Old Bush being smart enough to limit the war with Iraq helped also and getting others to pay for it. Of couse had he not sent April Glaspie over to tell Hussian we had not contract to come to the aid of Kuwait along with Jame Baker. Had we just told him that we would go to war with him if he went into Kuwait the all the lives we have lost and all this money we have spent would Have
                                                      been save. I am smart enough to figure out this whole war thing was to help the Military establishment and keep Iraq oil of the market. Greed it why we are in the place we are now and both parties are responsible. When glaspie and baker were say this I told people they are going to get us in a war.



                                                      http://www.csun.edu/~vcmth00m/iraqkuwait.html


                                                      U.S. State Department. U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie
                                                      informed Hussein that, "We have no opinion on...conflicts like your border disagreement with Kuwait."
                                                      She reiterated this position several times, and added,
                                                      "Secretary of State James Baker has directed our official spokesman to emphasize this instruction." A week before Iraq's invasion of Kuwait,
                                                      Baker's spokesperson, Margaret Tutwiler and Assistant Secretary of State John Kelly both stated publicly
                                                      that "the United States was not obligated to come to Kuwait's aid if it were attacked." (Santa Barbara News-Press September 24, 1990 cited in [1]).
                                                      UTR
                                                      MyCE Resident
                                                      Posted on: 16 Jul 10 20:12
                                                        I don't need to read Wikipedia. I lived through the 1990s and paid attention to what was going on politically. The Contract With America (CwA) was a basic framework that allowed numerous bills to pass that cut government expenses and spurred economic growth. How do you think the budget got balanced and spun off a surplus? The Keebler elves came in an did it one night? It was done by Congress passing welfare reform, tax cuts for small business and individuals, giving seniors more earned income before taking away their social security, capital gains tax reductions etc. Then I give Clinton credit for signing the bills the Republicans passed. Once Clinton got re-elected he didn't have any reason to cooperate with the Republicans (i.e. no re-election to worry about) and the trend started reversing. Those two years of pushing the CwA, and some Republican diligence to keep the budgets from going wild and spending the extra revenue the government received from good economic growth, is why there was surpluses.

                                                        Then people like to forget how 9-11 affected the economy. That caused a spike of deficit spending and the Republicans were close to balancing the annual budget when the Democrats took control of Congress from them in 2007. Now, with Democrats in control of the legislative and executive branches of the federal government, the deficits are so large it is almost impossible to comprehend their magnitude. The current, and projected, deficits are going to be the ruin of the Democrat Party. They are putting this country on a rocket sled toward bankruptcy. When it comes to fiscal responsibility comparing Republicans to Democrats is a waste of time. The Democrats win the crown for fiscal irresponsibility hands down.

                                                        The biggest problem with Republicans is they forgot why their supporters sent them to Congress. It wasn't to be Democrat-lite. It was to be fiscally conservative and to uphold the Constitution. Then the final nail in their coffin was Bush taking way too long to get Iraq right. Now we can see what happens to the country with Democrats in charge. It is far worse than having Republicans in charge. Especially from a fiscal aspect which is the most important aspect by far, IMO.
                                                        samlar
                                                        MyCE Resident
                                                        Posted on: 16 Jul 10 20:41
                                                          So did I but if you are not willing to read and see tthe c ontract did little or nothing for the suplus then I figure you think you know more than all others. The contract for America welfare bill did not get sign but was veto so that statement is not correct. The welfare bill tha got passed was one that Clinton put fourth. Not to say that would have been better of it the contract with ameica welfare bill had passed instead of his. This is not to say that the
                                                          Repulican congress along with Clinton did not pass some bills but buy they did not cause the suplus. As for as 9-11 it would not have happen had old bush not started the Iraq war by not telling Hussan
                                                          we would not come to the aid of Kuwait. It was not the Demorcrats that first got us in 8 years a a deficits larger than all the deficits before it combined it was Ronald Reagan trickle down economics.
                                                          Now it is Little Bush cutting taxes on the rich and starting wars.

                                                          UTR we would I sure agree on a lot of things but not all here I what I would like to see congress do.

                                                          Cut out the Earned Income Credit for taxes over five years. Not right that people who are to lazy to work full time to get money back that they did not pay it.

                                                          Cut the Tax deductions for children to two only for all children born after it passes. Why should I have to pay for other people to have more than two children. Also all Welfare for children would end after two.

                                                          Phase out all H1-B, H2-A and H2-B) visa after three years. The jobs these people are doing could be done by people who are americans.
                                                          We have doctors coming from overseas to take jobs even though we have all the schools here to train doctors. Most do not know that the person in New York with the bomb was a H2 visa person.

                                                          Pass the part of Ronald Reagons immigration reform bill that got removed because business did not want it in there. I would have forced them to check to make sure the people they hire were here legal.

                                                          Bring almost all our troops home we do not need to police the world.

                                                          Change or tax to an value add tax instead of a income tax.

                                                          Stop helping companies from taking our jobs overseas.


                                                          Stop all foreign aid until we have paid off all we owe to other countries. Think it is stupid to give money away when it is not our money.


                                                          Now that I said this Not one of these would ever get past no matter which party is in control of congress because the demorcrats would block the ones that hurt the poor or sould I say the one who do not want to work to live. And the Republicans would block the ones that would make business do what is right.


                                                          Every bill Obama has got passed I have been against because they all have only gave what business wanted and done little for the people and most of that is because of the Republicans but not all.
                                                          UTR
                                                          MyCE Resident
                                                          Posted on: 16 Jul 10 21:39
                                                            Here is the formula to get us out of the fiscal mess we are in. Roll back federal/state/local budgets to 2005 levels. If GDP rises then budgets rise 25% of the GDP rise for the previous year. If GDP drops, then budgets drop the same amount. Cut whatever has to be cut to make this happen. There is plenty of waste that can be cut to meet this criteria. Even the military gets cut. We have to decide whether troops in Korea/Germany/Japan etc. are more valuable that fighting a war in Afghanistan. Hard decisions have to be made. All these able bodied people getting a free ride on the backs of the taxpayer need to produce or stave.

                                                            If we don't do something as drastic as I stated above then the country is going bankrupt and the resulting depression will make the one in the 1930s look like a cake walk. The government doesn't solve problems, create wealth or jobs, innovate out of necessity etc. The government is a parasite on society that has to be controlled. We are becoming a nation of parasites. Ask Greece how that has worked for them. When Europe is telling the USA we need to stop the runaway spending then you know we are in deep $hit.

                                                            The Republicans are far closer to being able to right the ship than the Democrats. All I have learned from watching them run Congress and the White House for the past 18 months is they are extremely corrupt, irresponsible and ignorant. If Obama sees another term and Democrats keep control of Congress the country is doomed. Republicans are the lesser of two evils. The decision isn't even a close one for me. BTW, I am an independent voter. I have no undying love for either political party.
                                                            samlar
                                                            MyCE Resident
                                                            Posted on: 16 Jul 10 22:48
                                                              Welll we are going bankrupt

                                                              The Repubicans are the people who put us in most of this so I do not think they can or will right the ship but I do not think the Demorcrats will either. The republicans are for the rich the Demorcrats are for the rich and the poor we need a party for the working class to right this ship. I hope you also learned by watching for 18 months that the Republicans are just a party of say no they have no plan and will not help fix it unless we let them run everthing so the rich can get richer.
                                                              UTR
                                                              MyCE Resident
                                                              Posted on: 17 Jul 10 02:31
                                                                Quote:
                                                                Originally Posted by samlar
                                                                So did I but if you are not willing to read and see tthe c ontract did little or nothing for the suplus....
                                                                The CwA was the basis for the surplus to be possible. It got the Republicans elected and set forth a road map to pass legislation to address specific problems. They ranged from welfare reform to tax cuts to policy changes etc. Had the CwA never existed then it is unlikely the budget surpluses would have been possible a few years later. There is nothing in the CwA that says a specific bill will be passed. It gives the guidelines for the bills that the Republicans put before Clinton. Here is the core of the CwA:

                                                                Thereafter, within the first 100 days of the 104th Congress, we shall bring to the House Floor the following bills, each to be given full and open debate, each to be given a clear and fair vote and each to be immediately available this day for public inspection and scrutiny.

                                                                1. THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT: A balanced budget/tax limitation amendment and a legislative line-item veto to restore fiscal responsibility to an out- of-control Congress, requiring them to live under the same budget constraints as families and businesses. (Bill Text) (Description)

                                                                2. THE TAKING BACK OUR STREETS ACT: An anti-crime package including stronger truth-in- sentencing, "good faith" exclusionary rule exemptions, effective death penalty provisions, and cuts in social spending from this summer's "crime" bill to fund prison construction and additional law enforcement to keep people secure in their neighborhoods and kids safe in their schools. (Bill Text) (Description)

                                                                3. THE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT: Discourage illegitimacy and teen pregnancy by prohibiting welfare to minor mothers and denying increased AFDC for additional children while on welfare, cut spending for welfare programs, and enact a tough two-years-and-out provision with work requirements to promote individual responsibility. (Bill Text) (Description)

                                                                4. THE FAMILY REINFORCEMENT ACT: Child support enforcement, tax incentives for adoption, strengthening rights of parents in their children's education, stronger child pornography laws, and an elderly dependent care tax credit to reinforce the central role of families in American society. (Bill Text) (Description)

                                                                5. THE AMERICAN DREAM RESTORATION ACT: A S500 per child tax credit, begin repeal of the marriage tax penalty, and creation of American Dream Savings Accounts to provide middle class tax relief. (Bill Text) (Description)

                                                                6. THE NATIONAL SECURITY RESTORATION ACT: No U.S. troops under U.N. command and restoration of the essential parts of our national security funding to strengthen our national defense and maintain our credibility around the world. (Bill Text) (Description)

                                                                7. THE SENIOR CITIZENS FAIRNESS ACT: Raise the Social Security earnings limit which currently forces seniors out of the work force, repeal the 1993 tax hikes on Social Security benefits and provide tax incentives for private long-term care insurance to let Older Americans keep more of what they have earned over the years. (Bill Text) (Description)

                                                                8. THE JOB CREATION AND WAGE ENHANCEMENT ACT: Small business incentives, capital gains cut and indexation, neutral cost recovery, risk assessment/cost-benefit analysis, strengthening the Regulatory Flexibility Act and unfunded mandate reform to create jobs and raise worker wages. (Bill Text) (Description)

                                                                9. THE COMMON SENSE LEGAL REFORM ACT: "Loser pays" laws, reasonable limits on punitive damages and reform of product liability laws to stem the endless tide of litigation. (Bill Text) (Description)

                                                                10. THE CITIZEN LEGISLATURE ACT: A first-ever vote on term limits to replace career politicians with citizen legislators. (Description)

                                                                Further, we will instruct the House Budget Committee to report to the floor and we will work to enact additional budget savings, beyond the budget cuts specifically included in the legislation described above, to ensure that the Federal budget deficit will be less than it would have been without the enactment of these bills.

                                                                "All ten items in the Contract With America were brought to a vote in the U.S. House in the first 100 days (the promise was to bring them to a vote). Nine of the ten items passed the House. The sole exception was term limits which received a plurality but required a two-thirds majority as a Constitutional Amendment. ..... Six of the bills were signed into law by the President. (In 1996, President Clinton pointed to 13 separate reforms that were contained within the Contract with America at the Democratic National Convention.)"


                                                                Not all these items were passed (six were signed by Clinton) but the CwA never promised them to be passed, only that they would be brought to the floor of the House for a vote. The CwA had nothing to do with the Senate. Many Republicans in the Senate supported the CwA but they were never officially tied to it. The CwA was a success and it did spur the drive toward a balanced budget in the late 1990s. The problem is the Republicans let it run out of steam.
                                                                Kerroj
                                                                MyCE Rookie
                                                                Posted on: 17 Jul 10 17:10
                                                                  To me, Republicants are the scum-bags of the earth. If Obama is for something, they are against it every single time, even if they were for it before Obama wanted it. They are nothing but liars and obstructionists, playing the height of partisan politics and wanting Obama to fail, not concerned with what the American people really want or need. They all have blood on their hands for supporting the status quo of our health care industry to the detriment of those who can't afford decent medical care. They are against financial reform of Wall Street to protect consumers. They are the party of the elite for the elite, the party of "NO" that uses pseudo-patriot propaganda to label those with better ideas as "socialists." So go ahead and keep watching your Faux News Channel and keep yourselves brainwashed by the conservative media majority, and make sure your red, white, and blue blindfold is within reach when you need it,
                                                                  UTR
                                                                  MyCE Resident
                                                                  Posted on: 17 Jul 10 18:06
                                                                    Quote:
                                                                    Originally Posted by Kerroj
                                                                    To me, Republicants are the scum-bags of the earth. If Obama is for something, they are against it every single time, even if they were for it before Obama wanted it. They are nothing but liars and obstructionists, playing the height of partisan politics and wanting Obama to fail, not concerned with what the American people really want or need. They all have blood on their hands for supporting the status quo of our health care industry to the detriment of those who can't afford decent medical care. They are against financial reform of Wall Street to protect consumers. They are the party of the elite for the elite, the party of "NO" that uses pseudo-patriot propaganda to label those with better ideas as "socialists." So go ahead and keep watching your Faux News Channel and keep yourselves brainwashed by the conservative media majority, and make sure your red, white, and blue blindfold is within reach when you need it,
                                                                    Are you for bankrupting the USA through deficit spending by the government? Are you for passing bills without knowing what is in them or how they will impact the economy or your freedoms? Are you for using taxpayer dollars to buy 20% of GM and Chrysler and then give it to the UAW? Are you for using taxpayer money to bailout banks, investment firms and insurance companies so they can make billions on the backs of the little guy and small business. Are you for the IRS telling you to pay a fine because you choose not to have health insurance?

                                                                    If you are not for the above then you aren't for Obama and the Democrats controlling Congress. You are blinding following a political party without thinking about the damage they are doing to the country. I don't particularly like Republicans but I certainly don't like the corruption, deceit, lack of attention to details, pandering to unions, fiscal irresponsibility etc. I have seen from Democrats. If I only have two choices then it is an easy one for me to vote Republican the next several elections. As bad as they are, and have been, they are far less harmful to the country and my Constitutionally guaranteed freedoms than Democrats have proven to be.
                                                                    samlar
                                                                    MyCE Resident
                                                                    Posted on: 17 Jul 10 18:20
                                                                      As you can see from below saying they pass is so misleading it funny.
                                                                      Yes some did pass the House but 90 percent never got pass the senate or the president.

                                                                      And nothing and I mean nothing that passed did anything but increase the deficit.




                                                                      FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT did not pass congress even though Republicans controlled congress

                                                                      Taking Back Our Streets Act did pass but it cost money because it funding prison construction and such. Was a great bill but did nothing to cause a suplus.

                                                                      The Personal Responsibility Act was vetoed by Clinton so it did not pass and he then got passed his own bill Personal Responsibility and work Opportunity Reconciliation Act in 1996

                                                                      The American Dream Restoration Act

                                                                      Like others passed the House but that does not mean anything never became law

                                                                      This bill never became law. This bill was proposed in a previous session of Congress. Sessions of Congress last two years, and at the end of each session all proposed bills and resolutions that haven't passed are cleared from the books. Members often reintroduce bills that did not come up for debate under a new number in the next session.

                                                                      The National Security Restoration Act
                                                                      This bill never became law. This bill was proposed in a previous session of Congress. Sessions of Congress last two years, and at the end of each session all proposed bills and resolutions that haven't passed are cleared from the books. Members often reintroduce bills that did not come up for debate under a new number in the next session.
                                                                      The "Common Sense" Legal Reform Act
                                                                      vetoed by President Clinton [6]). Another tort reform bill, the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act was enacted in 1995 when Congress overrode a veto by Clinton.
                                                                      The Job Creation and Wage Enhancement Act
                                                                      H.R.5, requiring federal funding for state spending mandated by Congressional action and estimated by the Congressional Budget Office to cost more than $50m per year (for the years of 1996-2002[1]), was passed 360-74, 2/1/95. This bill was conferenced with S. 1 and enacted, 3/22/95 [7].
                                                                      This bill would have cost money but congress even after passing has not funded for those things mandated b y congress.
                                                                      H.R.450 required a moratorium on the implementation of Federal regulations until June 30, 1995, and was passed 276-146, 2/24/95. Companion Senate bill S. 219 passed by voice vote, 5/17/95, but the two bills never emerged from conference [8]

                                                                      Another one that did not pass
                                                                      • H.R.925 required Federal compensation to be paid to property owners when Federal Government actions reduced the value of the property by 20% or more, and was passed 277-148, 3/3/95

                                                                      Only passed house never got passed the senate.
                                                                      H.R.926, passed 415-14 on 3/1/95, required Federal agencies to provide a cost-benefit analysis on any regulation costing $50m or more annually, to be signed off on by the Office of Management and Budget, and permitted small businesses to sue that agency if they believed the aforementioned analysis was performed inadequately or incorrectly.
                                                                      Never become law
                                                                      The Citizen Legislature Act
                                                                      An amendment to the Constitution that would have imposed 12-year term limits on members of the US Congress (i.e. six terms for Representatives, two terms for Senators). H.J.Res.73[9] rejected by the U.S. House 227-204 (a constitutional amendment requires a two-thirds majority, not a simple majority), 3/29/95; RC #277.


                                                                      Even the House could not pass this bill which they should.
                                                                      UTR
                                                                      MyCE Resident
                                                                      Posted on: 17 Jul 10 18:23
                                                                        Quote:
                                                                        Originally Posted by samlar
                                                                        Welll we are going bankrupt

                                                                        The Repubicans are the people who put us in most of this so I do not think they can or will right the ship but I do not think the Demorcrats will either.
                                                                        Republicans have not been the most fiscally responsible from 2000-2006 but they at least work toward reducing deficits. The current crop of democrats have taken deficit spending to a level never seen before in our nation's history. I keep going back to this chart:

                                                                        http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/...amabudget1.jpg

                                                                        It tells the truth (it is from the Washington Post) about the spending under Bush and Obama. The Obama deficit numbers are actually much higher now than when the chart was created. Also, keep in mind that Democrats controlled Congress, and therefore the budgeting process, since 2007. Notice that in 2008, the first year of a Democrat budget after they gained control in 2006, the deficit spikes up.

                                                                        Like it or not, the only hope we have of reigning in deficit spending is to elect Republicans. Democrats don't have the political will or the desire to do it. If we don't stop these massive deficits then our standard of living will fall off a cliff. We will be Greece and Argentine combined and that is an ugly future for this country.

                                                                        As a final thought, which political party do you think can be forced into dealing effectively with the budget deficits? I think the only one that can forced to deal with it is Republicans. Democrats are controlled by the extreme left much more than the Republicans are controlled by the extreme right. Also, the basic philosophy of each party gives me more hope the Republicans can step up and meet the challenge. Who, or what entity, do you think will save the country from bankruptcy?

                                                                        Quote:
                                                                        Originally Posted by samlar
                                                                        As you can see from below saying they pass is so misleading it funny.
                                                                        Yes some did pass the House but 90 percent never got pass the senate or the president.

                                                                        And nothing and I mean nothing that passed did anything but increase the deficit.
                                                                        Then how did the budget get balanced in the late 1990s?
                                                                        samlar
                                                                        MyCE Resident
                                                                        Posted on: 17 Jul 10 18:26
                                                                          Republicans have not been the most fiscally responsible from 2000-2006 but they at least work toward reducing deficits

                                                                          how did they do this all they did was spend spend spend

                                                                          I am not happy either with Obama spending such as on wars we need to end

                                                                          I for one want to vote for none of the above next time
                                                                          samlar
                                                                          MyCE Resident
                                                                          Posted on: 17 Jul 10 18:27
                                                                            This post needs to get back on topic we can spend forever debating which party is the big spenders but that is not what this post is about.
                                                                            UTR
                                                                            MyCE Resident
                                                                            Posted on: 17 Jul 10 18:41
                                                                              Quote:
                                                                              Originally Posted by samlar
                                                                              Republicans have not been the most fiscally responsible from 2000-2006 but they at least work toward reducing deficits

                                                                              how did they do this all they did was spend spend spend
                                                                              Their trend lline was going toward a balanced budget. That is until Democrats took control of Congress. The chart shows this clearly. Much of Bush's early deficits was a result of 9-11. Some because he enacted more entitlement programs like the drug bill. The fact is though Republicans were reducing the deficit every year from 2003-2007.

                                                                              Quote:
                                                                              Originally Posted by samlar
                                                                              I am not happy either with Obama spending such as on wars we need to end. I for one want to vote for none of the above next time
                                                                              I agree with you 100%. The problem is that isn't going to be a good choice. It will only promote the status quo. I have become more active in the primary elections this year than in years past. It is the only way to make sure we have decent choices in the general elections. One thing I have seen this year that is positive is that many incumbents in both parties have been voted out in the primaries. I think the public has begun taking back the political process and the elections this fall will show the politicians that get re-elected their tenure in Washington, DC isn't a given. They need to perform. If the Dems and Repubs can't do the job then there will be third parties come up to compete with them. The problem is to get rid the stranglehold the two main parties current have on the political process.

                                                                              One thing I think is good for the deficit spending being resolved is that if politicians don't stop the deficit spending the economy will get worse and this will only further insight the public to vote out the career politicians and get new blood in Washington, DC that will fix the problems.
                                                                              Kerry56
                                                                              Administrator
                                                                              Posted on: 17 Jul 10 19:51
                                                                                You guys done playing the who's to blame game yet?

                                                                                The original subject has been completely derailed. Unless someone has a comment on Operation Global Hoax, I suggest a moratorium on posting in this thread.
                                                                                UTR
                                                                                MyCE Resident
                                                                                Posted on: 17 Jul 10 21:08
                                                                                  Quote:
                                                                                  Originally Posted by Kerry56
                                                                                  You guys done playing the who's to blame game yet?

                                                                                  The original subject has been completely derailed. Unless someone has a comment on Operation Global Hoax, I suggest a moratorium on posting in this thread.
                                                                                  Guilty as charged. It would be easier for you to herd cats than it is to keep us on topic.

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