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Windows 8 has a market share of a dissapointing 2.26 percent

Posted at 01 February 2013 13:05 CEST by Jan Willem Aldershoff

Windows 8 reached a market share of 2.26%  after it was officially launched three months ago. In January the market share for Windows 7 went down for the first time. The information comes from statistics compiled by Net Applications. The growth in the number of installations of Windows 8 is slow.

Microsoft’s latest operating system was released on the 26th of October and in that month Windows 8 accounted for 0.41%. In November it went up to 1.09% and in December to 1.72%.

In January more growth was expected as more new Windows 8 PCs were released. For now the expected growth hasn’t yet been achieved and the month saw a decline in market share for Windows 7. It’s the first time after the launch of Windows 7 that its market share dropped,  it went down from 45.11%  to 44.48%.

The decline in market share of Windows 7 was confirmed by another company measuring operating system market shares, Statcounter, who didn’t reveal percentages. All versions of Windows combined are good for 91.7% of the market, Mac own 7.08% of the market and Linux 1.21%.

Since the launch of Windows 8 there are regular reports that sales are disappointing. Manufacturers and analysts argue that not many new PCs are sold.  Nevertheless recent quarterly figures from Microsoft report that 60 million licenses have been sold. This is almost equal to the amount of licenses sold of the successful Windows 7  in the same time frame.

Which percentage of the 60 million licenses are an update to an existing Windows PC and which percentage is of new computers has not been disclosed.

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DukeNukem
MyCE Resident Commenter
Posted on: 01 Feb 13 15:41
    Windows 8 is a bust for most. Just stating a fact. Microsoft put two OSes into one big mess. I think if Microsoft had just separated them, one for tablets (touch) and one for PCs, then the feedback and acceptance would have been more dramatic. I'm sticking with Windows 7 Ultimate for the next few years. Sorry, Microsoft... no soup for you.
    Zod
    MyCE Resident
    Posted on: 01 Feb 13 16:28
      I agree. Microsoft could of left metro optional in the OS (they had it as optional on previous test versions). Then Metro could of been used on touchscreen/portable devices and the desktop on keyboard/mouse devices.

      I think they misfired. The alienated their bread and butter to take a shot a sector (portable devices) that they hadn't shown strong in.

      A winning company would of catered to both so that everyone was happy.
      UTR
      MyCE Resident
      Posted on: 01 Feb 13 16:44
        Heck, a lot of this mess could have been avoided if they would have included a Start Menu and reversion to Windows 7 desktop option in Windows 8.
        DrDuty411
        MyCE Rookie
        Posted on: 01 Feb 13 16:51
          I've got WinXP on Desktop PC and Win7 On my new Laptop but I use my PC more then my laptop which has Win7 don't get me wrong Win7 is ok but I still love WinXP and don't think I'll make the move on my desktop to Win7 just yet as for Win8 I'm not thrilled I tested and it sucks.
          coolcolors
          MyCE Resident
          Posted on: 01 Feb 13 17:39
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by DrDuty411
            I've got WinXP on Desktop PC and Win7 On my new Laptop but I use my PC more then my laptop which has Win7 don't get me wrong Win7 is ok but I still love WinXP and don't think I'll make the move on my desktop to Win7 just yet as for Win8 I'm not thrilled I tested and it sucks.
            I can tell ya the hackers love you for your decision as well. Whether or not you go W7 is no concern to us but you should consider your browser and internet security as the reason to use a more secure O/S that still has support for it. W7 main good point is to be able to separate Admin from Users unlike XP in which all users are Admin and cause XP Admin problem you can gurantee that will make your XP wide open to security problems. As in W7 admin can be pswd separate and anything a user account causes is on their own account and can be wiped out preventing problem migrating to the Admin account. That the biggest benefit user accounts go bad wipe it out and Admin is safe for XP admin and user account is tied same privileges one has problem so does the other one. That the biggest security flaw in XP and trust me hackers most likely will target those using XP just for this security flaw. You might say they will never get me and then I will say how do you know that-they set so many traps and you will never see them since they compromised XP security on you system already.
            coolcolors
            MyCE Resident
            Posted on: 01 Feb 13 17:40
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by Zod
              I agree. Microsoft could of left metro optional in the OS (they had it as optional on previous test versions). Then Metro could of been used on touchscreen/portable devices and the desktop on keyboard/mouse devices.

              I think they misfired. The alienated their bread and butter to take a shot a sector (portable devices) that they hadn't shown strong in.

              A winning company would of catered to both so that everyone was happy.

              Nah, I call this "FOOT IN MOUTH" disease...where profit was taken ahead of real fixes and a O/S that would work for Tablet and Desktop/Laptop. It's all about GREED and making the most money you can for your share holders without any concerns about the consumers.
              UTR
              MyCE Resident
              Posted on: 01 Feb 13 17:48
                I think it is more about a company that is so arrogant that it thinks it can dictate what a customer should accept in an OS and not the reverse. Windows 8 was an exercise in MS thinking it can manipulate its user base to increase market share in the phone/tablet arena. It should have been an exercise in providing its users with what they wanted and/or needed.
                olyteddy
                Senior Moderator
                Posted on: 01 Feb 13 18:55
                  Quote:
                  Originally Posted by UTR
                  I think it is more about a company that is so arrogant that it thinks it can dictate what a customer should accept in an OS and not the reverse. Windows 8 was an exercise in MS thinking it can manipulate its user base to increase market share in the phone/tablet arena. It should have been an exercise in providing its users with what they wanted and/or needed.
                  Then how do you explain the huge success of iOS devices? (iMac, iPod, iPhone, Ipad, iDiot...etc...)?
                  CharmedonWB
                  MyCE Member
                  Posted on: 01 Feb 13 20:23
                    Windows 8 is a much better OS than W7. There seems to be a lot of griping about the Start Screen; I do not particularly understand why. For me it is so much more efficient than using the Start menu. W8 is far more resource friendly and multi tasking friendly than its predecessor.
                    aka74
                    MyCE Member
                    Posted on: 01 Feb 13 21:41
                      I've a friend who bought a new PC recently and hence ought to use Win7 instead of his beloved XP (problems with hardware support I guess).
                      He set up Win7 then, made it look more like XP; ended complaining about “Start menu being too small”.

                      At first I thought about cracking a joke about moving to Win8 but reminded myself that he has also been whining about 8's Start Screen being too big.

                      So what do people want?

                      Quote:
                      Then how do you explain the huge success of iOS devices? (iMac, iPod, iPhone, Ipad, iDiot...etc...)?
                      Yea, I'm interested too, why?
                      DukeNukem
                      MyCE Resident Commenter
                      Posted on: 01 Feb 13 21:42
                        Quote:
                        Originally Posted by DrDuty411
                        I've got WinXP on Desktop PC and Win7 On my new Laptop but I use my PC more then my laptop which has Win7 don't get me wrong Win7 is ok but I still love WinXP and don't think I'll make the move on my desktop to Win7 just yet as for Win8 I'm not thrilled I tested and it sucks.
                        It's called punctuation. You should give it a try sometime.
                        UTR
                        MyCE Resident
                        Posted on: 01 Feb 13 22:44
                          Quote:
                          Originally Posted by olyteddy
                          Then how do you explain the huge success of iOS devices? (iMac, iPod, iPhone, Ipad, iDiot...etc...)?
                          Apple anticipates, and gives, what their customers want. They are masters at marketing and explaining why they do certain things.

                          MS thinks of what it wants and then tries to use lies and deciet to get people to live with it. MS wanted to force feed a horrible UI for a desktop computer in an effort to get more market share in the phone and tablet market. Well, their greed and lack of concern for their customer's needs is going to give them a HUGE attitude adjustment. In the past MS could do this and not suffer much from doing it. Today's world isn't the same and people have options and are getting more of them as time passes.

                          I am no Apple fanboy but they would never make such an ignorant mistake that MS did with Windows 8/RT.
                          UTR
                          MyCE Resident
                          Posted on: 01 Feb 13 22:51
                            Quote:
                            Originally Posted by CharmedonWB
                            Windows 8 is a much better OS than W7. There seems to be a lot of griping about the Start Screen; I do not particularly understand why. For me it is so much more efficient than using the Start menu. W8 is far more resource friendly and multi tasking friendly than its predecessor.
                            Why didn't MS give the user an option to keep the Windows 7 IU? All those things you mention about resources etc. is not depend on the UI. Why did MS feel the need to ram Metro up the a$$ of every desktop user? Think about that and get back to me with a plausible answer.
                            ChristineBCW
                            MyCE Die Hard
                            Posted on: 01 Feb 13 22:55
                              Quote:
                              Originally Posted by aka74
                              ...Yea, I'm interested too, why?
                              Maybe it's the illusion of belonging while never doing any productive work. Simply paying out, receiving a share of the illusion and paying more to continue.

                              I've still never seen a programmer complete a Smart i-Apps on one of those devices. They always return to a Real Computer.

                              This will deliver a greater wall between the Have's and Have-Not's, as well as the Do'ers and the Watchers.

                              There's a disappointing level of neediness or worthlessness that's being expressed in those.
                              CharmedonWB
                              MyCE Member
                              Posted on: 02 Feb 13 01:05
                                Quote:
                                Originally Posted by UTR
                                Why didn't MS give the user an option to keep the Windows 7 IU? All those things you mention about resources etc. is not depend on the UI. Why did MS feel the need to ram Metro up the a$$ of every desktop user? Think about that and get back to me with a plausible answer.
                                Why don't you think first about not being an @ss. I merely mentioned that I happened to like the operating system the way it is--and I can care less why Microsoft did not give you an option to customize Windows 8 to your liking.
                                Zod
                                MyCE Resident
                                Posted on: 02 Feb 13 02:00
                                  Quote:
                                  Originally Posted by CharmedonWB
                                  Why don't you think first about not being an @ss. I merely mentioned that I happened to like the operating system the way it is--and I can care less why Microsoft did not give you an option to customize Windows 8 to your liking.
                                  no. but this thread is about low adoption of windows 8 and why. It turns out theres alot of people who don't like the hybrid interface of windows 8.

                                  no one is really argueing that windows 8 doesn't have a good engine, all the arguments are that the interface is inferior for those using keyboards and mice.

                                  I have a decent machine (almost two years old. i7 2700k) and when I tried the win8 RC it was marginally better.. barely though (maybe its more pronounced on slower systems). The difference wasn't nearly enough to convince me to swtich.

                                  I would of had they left metro optional.
                                  UTR
                                  MyCE Resident
                                  Posted on: 02 Feb 13 03:59
                                    Quote:
                                    Originally Posted by CharmedonWB
                                    and I can care less why Microsoft did not give you an option to customize Windows 8 to your liking.
                                    Neither did MS and it is biting them in the a$$ right now.
                                    debro
                                    Blown to smitherines
                                    Posted on: 02 Feb 13 06:08
                                      Quote:
                                      Originally Posted by coolcolors
                                      I can tell ya the hackers love you for your decision as well. Whether or not you go W7 is no concern to us but you should consider your browser and internet security as the reason to use a more secure O/S that still has support for it. W7 main good point is to be able to separate Admin from Users unlike XP in which all users are Admin and cause XP Admin problem you can gurantee that will make your XP wide open to security problems. As in W7 admin can be pswd separate and anything a user account causes is on their own account and can be wiped out preventing problem migrating to the Admin account. That the biggest benefit user accounts go bad wipe it out and Admin is safe for XP admin and user account is tied same privileges one has problem so does the other one. That the biggest security flaw in XP and trust me hackers most likely will target those using XP just for this security flaw. You might say they will never get me and then I will say how do you know that-they set so many traps and you will never see them since they compromised XP security on you system already.
                                      Not sure what you are getting at. Admin & standard user accounts have been available since Windows NT4. Windows XP is based on Win2000, which is based on Win NT4.

                                      I have my parents on a limited user account, because my father has a tendency to click ok, ok, ok, ok to everything, without reading the popup message, and that's win xp. If they need this install any programs, a popup demands an admin account name and password to continue.

                                      It stops *most* problems.

                                      There' s not much I can do about him unplugging every power, phone, network, usb and video cable and then not knowing where everything goes . Rotflmao.
                                      CharmedonWB
                                      MyCE Member
                                      Posted on: 02 Feb 13 07:52
                                        Quote:
                                        Originally Posted by UTR
                                        Neither did MS and it is biting them in the a$$ right now.
                                        They had the same low adoption rate in Vista and at the time I heard the same doom and gloom nonsense that I am hearing now. I do not see Microsoft struggling do you? Microsoft took a chance and perhaps it is not panning out currently but they can learn from this and improve in the future iteration. People whine that MS does not innovate and when it does there is more whining to be done.
                                        yojimbo197
                                        MyCE Senior Member
                                        Posted on: 02 Feb 13 07:59
                                          Again, you are missing the point. Inventing something new that the majority of people.do not use at all seems pointless. i have never needed that ribbon in excel nor all the web sharing icons in the office 2010. What i do need is a way to copy multiple files, especially big ones much faster. As of W7 that still hasnt been addressed adequately.
                                          hlse
                                          New Member
                                          Posted on: 02 Feb 13 13:51
                                            Here's the easy way out if you don't like Win 8.
                                            Looks and interface like Win7.
                                            http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/software-and-web-apps/how-to-make-windows-8-look-like-windows-7-50009546/
                                            DrDuty411
                                            MyCE Rookie
                                            Posted on: 02 Feb 13 17:52
                                              Quote:
                                              Originally Posted by debro
                                              Not sure what you are getting at. Admin & standard user accounts have been available since Windows NT4. Windows XP is based on Win2000, which is based on Win NT4.

                                              I have my parents on a limited user account, because my father has a tendency to click ok, ok, ok, ok to everything, without reading the popup message, and that's win xp. If they need this install any programs, a popup demands an admin account name and password to continue.

                                              It stops *most* problems.

                                              There' s not much I can do about him unplugging every power, phone, network, usb and video cable and then not knowing where everything goes . Rotflmao.
                                              No idea what he is getting at either as If I was a newbie and didn't know about security lol he clearly has no idea of my background, also I can say I only was ever compromised twice running XP since it's release so I can't be doing that bad.
                                              coolcolors
                                              MyCE Resident
                                              Posted on: 03 Feb 13 23:04
                                                Quote:
                                                Originally Posted by DrDuty411
                                                No idea what he is getting at either as If I was a newbie and didn't know about security lol he clearly has no idea of my background, also I can say I only was ever compromised twice running XP since it's release so I can't be doing that bad.
                                                Well I have no idea nor do I care about your background. Obviously your reply show you don't know about security already. Since you talked about XP that has no relevance to the discussion about the new security and upgrade. I am giving you a learning curve to improve on your vocabulary.
                                                coolcolors
                                                MyCE Resident
                                                Posted on: 03 Feb 13 23:05
                                                  Quote:
                                                  Originally Posted by debro
                                                  Not sure what you are getting at. Admin & standard user accounts have been available since Windows NT4. Windows XP is based on Win2000, which is based on Win NT4.

                                                  I have my parents on a limited user account, because my father has a tendency to click ok, ok, ok, ok to everything, without reading the popup message, and that's win xp. If they need this install any programs, a popup demands an admin account name and password to continue.

                                                  It stops *most* problems.

                                                  There' s not much I can do about him unplugging every power, phone, network, usb and video cable and then not knowing where everything goes . Rotflmao.
                                                  Do you even know whom I was addressing this to? Not so from your reply. Before jumping into a reply to another poster don't....
                                                  UTR
                                                  MyCE Resident
                                                  Posted on: 04 Feb 13 01:13
                                                    Quote:
                                                    Originally Posted by hlse
                                                    Here's the easy way out if you don't like Win 8.
                                                    Looks and interface like Win7.
                                                    http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/software-a...ws-7-50009546/
                                                    You just highlighted the problem for MS. If computer users have to jump through hoops to revert W8 to look, and function, like W7 then why buy W8 and upgrade. It appears that people are so frustrated with W8 on the devices they have bought that many are returning them. This issue for MS is like a snowball rolling downhill. It will keep getting bigger and bigger and the word on the street will get more and more negative regarding W8 and RT. It will reach a point where many people won't buy it or devices that have it just because they are hearing it from people they personally know telling them to avoid it. W8 is more DOA than Vista ever was, IMO.

                                                    Besides, most people don't have the computer knowledge to do these tweaks. They expect to buy a computing device and feel comfortable using it right out of the box. Especially when moving from one OS to its next version. MS has failed them in this regard and the backlash is going to be quite severe. IMO, the best thing MS can do is release an update that allows the user to revert to the W7 interface and they should do it right now.
                                                    CharmedonWB
                                                    MyCE Member
                                                    Posted on: 04 Feb 13 08:19
                                                      That is because a lot of people are listening to the moaning and b&tching of others rather than trying it out for themselves and making their own opinion. I know a decent amount of people who previously berated the Modern UI and now actually prefer it to the lame start menu. I use this on a PC with a mouse and keyboard and I find it far more intuitive than any previous Windows OS.
                                                      whatever_gong82
                                                      MyCE Member
                                                      Posted on: 04 Feb 13 17:57
                                                        Here's another way to bring back the start menu for Windows 8 if you like:

                                                        http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/
                                                        coolcolors
                                                        MyCE Resident
                                                        Posted on: 04 Feb 13 18:17
                                                          Quote:
                                                          Originally Posted by whatever_gong82
                                                          Here's another way to bring back the start menu for Windows 8 if you like:

                                                          http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/
                                                          That only works until M$ release a hotfix or security and it wipes clean the stardock module. M$ might not yet kill stardock yet but you can be sure they will with security update kill the stardock. They don't like you messing with their O/S.
                                                          coolcolors
                                                          MyCE Resident
                                                          Posted on: 04 Feb 13 18:18
                                                            Quote:
                                                            Originally Posted by CharmedonWB
                                                            That is because a lot of people are listening to the moaning and b&tching of others rather than trying it out for themselves and making their own opinion. I know a decent amount of people who previously berated the Modern UI and now actually prefer it to the lame start menu. I use this on a PC with a mouse and keyboard and I find it far more intuitive than any previous Windows OS.
                                                            I highly doubt that claim... that metro isn't made for keyboard/mouse setup but a tablet setup. And all those tweaks you do will be wipe clean by M$ updates when they find and catchup to removing those tweaks.
                                                            coolcolors
                                                            MyCE Resident
                                                            Posted on: 04 Feb 13 18:20
                                                              Quote:
                                                              Originally Posted by UTR
                                                              Besides, most people don't have the computer knowledge to do these tweaks. They expect to buy a computing device and feel comfortable using it right out of the box. Especially when moving from one OS to its next version. MS has failed them in this regard and the backlash is going to be quite severe. IMO, the best thing MS can do is release an update that allows the user to revert to the W7 interface and they should do it right now.
                                                              That's the real consumers they aren't like those of us here that can tweak and take real time to do the changes they like to get it out of the box and start using right away. Not fume over trying to even get started.
                                                              UTR
                                                              MyCE Resident
                                                              Posted on: 04 Feb 13 18:32
                                                                Quote:
                                                                Originally Posted by CharmedonWB
                                                                That is because a lot of people are listening to the moaning and b&tching of others rather than trying it out for themselves and making their own opinion.
                                                                Marketing 101 teaches sellers to get people to recommend their products to others. Do you realize that many people buy a product based on the recommendations of others? I would bet even you have done this. Be it food, cars, clothing, computer components or even software, this is true. Besides, when the concensus of people you know tell you to avoid something then why spend a large amount on a product/service that you stand a large chance of disliking?

                                                                Also, there are a lot of tech savvy people saying W8 should be avoided. The verdict on W8 is in and it isn't good for MS. They made a stupid mistake and are now paying for it. All MS had to do was add an option in W8 to revert back to the W7 interface. They didn't and I still haven't been give an ansewer as to why they didn't. Was it their arrogance and/or their greed that caused this debacle? It sure was because the majority of their customers wanted it.
                                                                whatever_gong82
                                                                MyCE Member
                                                                Posted on: 04 Feb 13 18:50
                                                                  Quote:
                                                                  Originally Posted by coolcolors
                                                                  That only works until M$ release a hotfix or security and it wipes clean the stardock module. M$ might not yet kill stardock yet but you can be sure they will with security update kill the stardock. They don't like you messing with their O/S.
                                                                  You're probably 100% correct on what MS will do when they find out a lot of people don't like the new settings, but thanks to the other link listed earlier, I've bookmarked that link, and will use it if I have to.
                                                                  Steve33
                                                                  MyCE Member
                                                                  Posted on: 04 Feb 13 19:58
                                                                    Windows 8 is excellent for people that want to browse Microsoft center and Amazon.
                                                                    ChristineBCW
                                                                    MyCE Die Hard
                                                                    Posted on: 04 Feb 13 20:42
                                                                      I still am conflicted as to the purpose of Win8's UI. It's not as simple as "Is it a touch-screen or is it a PC OS?"

                                                                      One of the huge calling points of DOS vs MAC was the wide-open spaces DOS offered programmers. "If you can program it, then you can sell it."

                                                                      Win8 has opened the door for some UI-alternatives with the same kind of shotgun-approach mentality. (Or is it Oscar Madison's spaghetti-against-the-wall approach?)

                                                                      For all of these UI "problems", there is the glass-half-full types that see some opportunities.

                                                                      But LOTUS 1-2-3 was a $495 package (although Paperback Software's 'clone' was only $49.95). LOTUS was able to strangle Paperback with legal action and stop them from making a fortune, but LOTUS wasn't that much longer for this earth, either.

                                                                      And those were applications with a BIT of "UI" possibilities ("...just use the familiar Lotus-style BACKSLASH command to access the application menu...").

                                                                      The Oscar Madison approach? Or a shotgun approach? Or the schizophrenic "touch screen but memorize all those keystroke-combos"?

                                                                      I still look back on the Ubuntu & Linux UI 'wars'. Is that what Microsoft is thinking of? "Let's have so many UI possibilities eventually, that everyone can find ONE they like."

                                                                      It's beginning to sound more like Oscar Madison mentality.
                                                                      UTR
                                                                      MyCE Resident
                                                                      Posted on: 04 Feb 13 22:56
                                                                        I think MS has determined that touch screens and small devices are the coming future of computing. IMO, the power of today's hardware is far outstripping the requirements of the users. I could actually get by with a single core CPU desktop. It would be slower than what I have today but not unusable. I recently bought an MK808 Android stick PC for $60 and it has some amazing capability for its size and especially for its price. I think we are at the verge of a smart phone being capable of supplying all the computing needs of the average user. All that is needed are docking station alternatives for the smart phone to plug into for laptop and desktop use.

                                                                        If this comes to pass then MS is in deep, deep trouble. It will always have a niche market but that isn't what it needs to survive. They need a strong presence in the smart phone and tablet arena ASAP. As the smart phone/tablet devices start taking on the roll of being a person's main computing device the software that runs them will morph to meet the users' demands. MS has a short window to gain the foothold in the phone/tablet market to continue to be the dominant OS into the future. This is the only viable reason I can think of to cause them to make such a bone headed move with the Metro interface in W8. Instead they are going to alienate a huge number of users by forcing them to use an OS that isn't good for a desktop PC. If they were smart they would have given people a chance to dabble with the Metro interface and not require them to use it. Then, as the new wave of touchscreen laptop/tablet hybrids come to market they would be set to take advantage of being both a conventional OS and a touch screen OS.
                                                                        ChristineBCW
                                                                        MyCE Die Hard
                                                                        Posted on: 04 Feb 13 23:30
                                                                          UTR, you use the word "force" in points but I think Microsoft HOPES that the "rorce" is indeed done FOR them by the Smartphone devices. "We're playing catch-up" can be their Underdog Marketing Campaign.

                                                                          I can certainly see that. We've been thru some Tom Cruise and three James Bond films where the world is saved with Smartphones, so that's gotta be true!

                                                                          I can't wait to see compilers loaded on and having programmers turn out a zillion lines of code on a touch-screen Smartphone. Get all those toolboxes on there, too. I can't wait.

                                                                          This IS the future of PCs. Currently, those are often called blades, but it's been a future that HP, IBM, Stratus and a few other 'mainframers' have been tackling since the mid-80s.
                                                                          UTR
                                                                          MyCE Resident
                                                                          Posted on: 05 Feb 13 00:08
                                                                            I think MS will always have a niche market for a straight up desktop OS. These will mainly be people working from home and workplace computers for the most part. However, there are many people that the upcoming smart phones will be all the computing power they need or want. Heck, I think even many businesses will find this true for their employees. Think of all the money that can be saved by just buying an employee a capable smartphone (which they will buy regardless) with no other PC hardware required for them other than a docking station and monitor. Then think of all the laptops they can opt not to buy. IMO, this is the coming wave for many, many people. I will welcome this model with open arms.

                                                                            I got an Asus TF300T (Tegra 3) tablet with the optional keyboard about a month ago. Since I have had it I have spent little time using a conventional laptop. I have found about all the apps I need to replace most of the software I use on a laptop. I see more and more laptops coming out with detachable keyboards and touchscreens. Asus is ahead of the curve, IMO, as they have been offering the Transformer series for over a year now. It is ironic to see MS running away from what Android is running toward.

                                                                            The biggest drawback to using a smart phone is screen size and input ability. All it takes is a larger screen and a keyboard with a touch pad or a mouse. These parts are dirt cheap. Smart phone hardware is advancing very quickly. Even Intel sees the writing on the wall and is quickly bringing smart phone CPU/GPU chips to market before they miss out along with MS. Let's revisit this thread 5 years from now and see how the smart phone market has evolved. I think it will be a large part of overall computer sales and will have taken a huge bite out of the laptop and desktop markets.
                                                                            AllanDeGroot
                                                                            MyCE Resident
                                                                            Posted on: 05 Feb 13 00:11
                                                                              Quote:
                                                                              Originally Posted by CharmedonWB
                                                                              That is because a lot of people are listening to the moaning and b&tching of others rather than trying it out for themselves and making their own opinion. I know a decent amount of people who previously berated the Modern UI and now actually prefer it to the lame start menu. I use this on a PC with a mouse and keyboard and I find it far more intuitive than any previous Windows OS.
                                                                              I would strongly caution you about making assumptions that everyone who dislikes windows8 is either listening to the bitching of others or os of substandard intelligence.

                                                                              you are less subtle in your patronizing tone and dismissive attitude than you think you are.

                                                                              Windows8 does not "play nice" with mouse and keyboard.

                                                                              Windows8 WANTS to operate with a touch screen and frankly I didn't spend several hundred dollars on a large HD monitor to spend my life repeatedly washing smudged fingerprints off of it if I choose to eat
                                                                              potato chips while "computing" (I can easily wash off the ball in my trackball mouse).

                                                                              Also I LIKE my extensive collection of desktop background pictures that rotate to a new picture every half hour.

                                                                              And lastly I rebel at the idea of buying a new operating system that I have to radically modify to make it resemble and earlier OS that I like.

                                                                              Yes, Vista was "slow to be adopted", Yes, I actually LIKED Vista
                                                                              but I never tried running it on anything besides a decently fast
                                                                              dual core computer. but Vista never, NEVER made I to even 20% of useage before windows 7 eclipsed XP once and for all.

                                                                              IMO the real problem with Vista was the optimistic system requirements
                                                                              that M$ stated were required to run it.

                                                                              Give it a year and nobody will ever mention Vista again, because
                                                                              as more people become familiar with Windows8 the contempt they
                                                                              hold it in can only grow.

                                                                              Frankly I doubt that windows8 will ever be a "success" because somewhat
                                                                              more than 50% of people who buy new computers pre-installed are wiping windows8 off and doing a clean install of windows7 in it's place within a month of purchase.

                                                                              In simple terms Windows8 is a marketing "New Coke"

                                                                              Remember 1985 when Coca Cola tried a newer sweeter formulation to compete with Pepsi, Oh Yeah they gained some Pepsi drinkers...
                                                                              but lost market share as they annoyed their loyal customers.
                                                                              Eventually forcing them to return to the original formulation
                                                                              reintroduced as "Classic Coke".

                                                                              It seems that nobody at Microsoft is familar with this sad story

                                                                              History doesn't repeat itself, but often rhymes...
                                                                              CharmedonWB
                                                                              MyCE Member
                                                                              Posted on: 05 Feb 13 01:16
                                                                                Quote:
                                                                                Originally Posted by AllanDeGroot
                                                                                I would strongly caution you about making assumptions that everyone who dislikes windows8 is either listening to the bitching of others or os of substandard intelligence.

                                                                                you are less subtle in your patronizing tone and dismissive attitude than you think you are.

                                                                                Windows8 does not "play nice" with mouse and keyboard.

                                                                                Windows8 WANTS to operate with a touch screen and frankly I didn't spend several hundred dollars on a large HD monitor to spend my life repeatedly washing smudged fingerprints off of it if I choose to eat
                                                                                potato chips while "computing" (I can easily wash off the ball in my trackball mouse).

                                                                                Also I LIKE my extensive collection of desktop background pictures that rotate to a new picture every half hour.

                                                                                And lastly I rebel at the idea of buying a new operating system that I have to radically modify to make it resemble and earlier OS that I like.

                                                                                Yes, Vista was "slow to be adopted", Yes, I actually LIKED Vista
                                                                                but I never tried running it on anything besides a decently fast
                                                                                dual core computer. but Vista never, NEVER made I to even 20% of useage before windows 7 eclipsed XP once and for all.

                                                                                IMO the real problem with Vista was the optimistic system requirements
                                                                                that M$ stated were required to run it.

                                                                                Give it a year and nobody will ever mention Vista again, because
                                                                                as more people become familiar with Windows8 the contempt they
                                                                                hold it in can only grow.

                                                                                Frankly I doubt that windows8 will ever be a "success" because somewhat
                                                                                more than 50% of people who buy new computers pre-installed are wiping windows8 off and doing a clean install of windows7 in it's place within a month of purchase.

                                                                                In simple terms Windows8 is a marketing "New Coke"

                                                                                Remember 1985 when Coca Cola tried a newer sweeter formulation to compete with Pepsi, Oh Yeah they gained some Pepsi drinkers...
                                                                                but lost market share as they annoyed their loyal customers.
                                                                                Eventually forcing them to return to the original formulation
                                                                                reintroduced as "Classic Coke".

                                                                                It seems that nobody at Microsoft is familar with this sad story

                                                                                History doesn't repeat itself, but often rhymes...
                                                                                I guess my tone is only dismissive if I disagree with you. You guys here seem to love to tout your opinions as factual evidence which it clearly is not. Next you need to learn how to read because I never said everyone who dislikes Windows is listening to others; I said that there were a lot of people dismissing the OS due to the b*tching of others. There is nothing patronizing about anything that I have said, so please stop with the projecting. Mind you with the history lesson, you forgot to mention that when Coke reintroduced the original formulation they actually regained the lead and took customers from Pepsi. At least they had the guts to try something new and in the end it paid off--just not in the way they expected.
                                                                                Steve33
                                                                                MyCE Member
                                                                                Posted on: 05 Feb 13 07:27
                                                                                  Allan...words of wisdom.

                                                                                  Really MS has to worry about short-term here, not long term.
                                                                                  Yeah, there are already work-arounds w/W8.

                                                                                  Short term however, they could be in a mess....not related to the small tabs. or phones.
                                                                                  Look at it this way, many large retailers that sell desktops and laptops will definitely be experiencing many returns...the ones that let one "try" it for a period of 2 weeks.
                                                                                  Think of the many "normal" people...(not geeks in any way like many of us) that have been using all the earlier MS OS systems...then they discover how different this system is...many will immediately be highly pi$$ed, then simply return it...
                                                                                  the "no questions asked what was wrong".

                                                                                  Now think about it from hardware providers and computer building companies perspective...they will likely not be happy about all those returns.
                                                                                  Then the market will be flooded with refurbs, returns and "open box" computers.

                                                                                  I would imagine MS will get an ear-full about how they need to alter the OS to accommodate the majority of potential buyers so that it will bypass metro.

                                                                                  As W8 is out of the box, I know I wouldn't too happy with it as I deal with with many programs...open source or freeware or whatever.
                                                                                  Then moving around files and such...it can be done ok enough as it is but it takes more gestures...those dead ends...gosh, I hate that.

                                                                                  Just my opinion but I think think they have really screwed themselves with their decision.
                                                                                  Then there is Linux...with all those versions...
                                                                                  If they get much better...microsoft does have a lot to worry about.
                                                                                  IMO, they had better put out a patch in a hurry....
                                                                                  silver30
                                                                                  MyCE Member
                                                                                  Posted on: 10 Feb 13 00:11
                                                                                    I was helping a friend with his new Windows 8 laptop and i needed help myself. It took me about 10 minutes to figure out how to shutdown the computer with windows 8. How could Microsoft make something so simple in previous os so hard in windows 8?
                                                                                    Makes me never want to upgrade to win 8. This is coming from a person who had no problems with Vista.

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