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Windows 8 Store Terms: We’ve many reasons to wipe your data

Posted 30 October 2012 17:40 CET by Jan Willem Aldershoff

Our forum administrator Kerry56 has taken some time to review the terms of service of the Windows 8 App Store. He found some interesting points of which you should be aware when installing applications from the store. The terms for the store contain some disturbing clauses which might be good to be aware off before you use it.   The first point Kerry56 raises  is that you’ll be required to have a Microsoft account that you’ll use regularly. The terms state that  if you don’t use your account every 270 days  it can be deactivated and your data may be permanently deleted from the Microsoft servers.

Also when purchasing the software you’re buying a license to use it which allows you to use an application on (usually) up to five devices, if you try to install it on more, it will be removed from  one or more devices, automatically. While restrictions on the installation of software have become pretty normal, this is the first time we’ve seen that a company states in their terms that it will remove software involuntarily and randomly.

Microsoft is also collecting data about you, if you agree on their terms then they’ll have the right to monitor service performance, your service use and your use of the Windows 8 system including monitoring all software on the device Windows 8 is running on and any devices or software communicating with it. The collected information is not only used to improve their own products, Microsoft states in their terms that  they are allowed to share information about you with other companies that work on Microsoft’s behalf. While you now don’t have a clue where your data will end up, at least Microsoft will require the companies to keep the information confidential and don’t allow them to use the information for other purposes.

If that doesn’t scare you enough, Microsoft is, according to their terms, also allowed to remove apps for any reason. If you bought it from the store, they might reimburse you, but the software and associated data will be wiped. This means that if you buy an office like app, your documents might be gone, or your save games when they decide to remove a game for you.  Microsoft  also states in their terms that they’re not responsible for the loss of data and states that it’s your responsibility to backup your data.

Last but least, Microsoft is also allowed to change the terms any time for any reason, if you decide to not agree on the new terms your access can be revoked.

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ivid
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 30 Oct 12 18:07
What en EPIC failure
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UTR
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 30 Oct 12 18:55
Windows 8 will makes Vista look like a fantastic OS release. MS is really taking a wrong turn and it might cost them dearly if a desktop version of Android is released.
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RexHunt
New on Forum
Posted on: 30 Oct 12 21:18
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Just waiting for witty remarks of Duke and Christine...
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voxsmart
MyCE Member
Posted on: 30 Oct 12 23:06
Quote:
Originally Posted by UTR
Windows 8 will makes Vista look like a fantastic OS release. MS is really taking a wrong turn and it might cost them dearly if a desktop version of Android is released.
Mmm, Android desktop, that sounds interesting, providing it works with keyboard and mouse properly.
I'm sorry, but I feel so wicked towards M$ for not doing proper market research, listening to customers and being so stubborn.
M$ really, badly needs some decent competition.
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TSJnachos117
MyCE Senior Member
Posted on: 31 Oct 12 04:22
I wouldn't worry about the 8 store. After all, contrary to what Microsoft probably wants you to think, there are plenty of ways of getting software, aside from the 8 store. That's just me, though.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RexHunt
...
Just waiting for witty remarks of Duke and Christine...
Looks like I'm about to beat them to the punch. Microsoft, I just want to say:

There once was a man from Peru,
Who dreamed he was eating his shoe.
He woke with a freight,
In the middle of the night,
To find that his dream had come true.

Anyway, it's not allow ourselfs to make the mistake of thinking that the Windows 8 store, which is probably just a walled garden, will allow us to have too much control over our own software, ect. Amazon's recent antics have proven that big companies like control (as if we needed more proof).
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headquarter84
CD Freak
Posted on: 31 Oct 12 06:54
Oh man... And I was just backing up my system preparing to upgrade to 8 today :/!! But what do you know! Microsoft is giving me WAAAAAAAY too many reasons NOT to give them my money, or at least for now just another reason NOT to use the Win8 store. Isn’t there some legal authority that can be contacted to force them to change the terms of service? Especially the post-five “Random” wiping of apps and data part? That’s a directly invasive and destructive breach of the user’s rights and privacy! Oh, and then they’re NOT responsible for your loss of data! Oh really? YOU F*&^@# WIPED IT OUT YOU MO$O!! How is that NOT YOUR responsibility?!

Seriously... I’m starting to miss the Vista days, those days were of absolute idiocy and ignorance to whatever the users wanted and needed, but now M$ is challenging Apple for the title of the Douchiest Corp in History! Till now I’m getting way too many negative issues with the new system that are overshadowing all of the good stuff! This is exactly NOT what Microsoft needs right now, and more importantly, not what WE need.

Sweet... So what do we do now?
1) I’m not doing the upgrade, money stays in ma pocket, at least until everything clears out.
2) Goodbye app store. FOREVER (or until they change their EULA)
3) I’m seriously considering an Ubuntu upgrade instead of the Win8 upgrade, or maybe Mageia, v3 Alpha is out now... Time to test!
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DukeNukem
MyCE Resident Commenter
Posted on: 31 Oct 12 16:45
Quote:
Originally Posted by RexHunt
Just waiting for witty remarks of Duke and Christine...
I'm on it.

Well, for me this OS is DOA. People have better things in this economy to spend their money on, like rent (or mortgage), food, and transportation. If you like barking like a dog every time Microsoft slaps your ass, then that's your business. They sell many copies of every OS they put out, but not all of them are hits. Windows 7 is a hit, but I don't think this one will be.

Anyway, I have to get back to putting pins in my Steve Ballmer doll.
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cholla
MyCE Resident
Posted on: 31 Oct 12 17:12
Still using Vista & it works fairly well for me .
I do have 7 on a laptop & I think it is better but I still use my Vista computer the most.
However it is a long way from out of the box & the reason it works.
My main complaints are slow start . The constant DRM BD checks are still going on.
At least on my Vista version a -VR mode recorded DVD disc doesn't show its content in Windows Explorer.
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headquarter84
CD Freak
Posted on: 31 Oct 12 23:11
Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeNukem
I'm on it.

Well, for me this OS is DOA. People have better things in this economy to spend their money on, like rent (or mortgage), food, and transportation.
Can't agree more ! I think I really I'm done here, sticking to Win7 for now until the next version, and hopefully it won't be just another number, Windows 7 worked well for a name because it's SEVEN, eight is lame... Plus we already had Win9x so I'm not sure if they really want to go for Win9 just like that.

I'll see ya fellas in 2015 with Open (Windows 3)²
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DrDuty411
MyCE Rookie
Posted on: 01 Nov 12 06:09
We've all been under attack since Microsoft created (DRM - Digital Rights Management) and still that technology exists and the masses so blindly buy into it.
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olyteddy
Senior Moderator
Posted on: 01 Nov 12 06:40
I'm in it for $15 to play with it on my Atom/ION net-top. Don't think I'll be buying any apps anytime soon. Who knows, MCE 8 might just run on this tiny box.....
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ChristineBCW
MyCE Die Hard
Posted on: 01 Nov 12 13:11
I'm fairly positive this isn't Oly. At least not yet. But I haven't heard if this is the new MS WinStore's logo.

http://www.ripleys.com/phillips/file...r-Skeleton.jpg

I mean, as a rival to Ronald McDonald or Tony The Tiger?

"Get right to the financial bones of every user" is what Microsoft is trying to do, right?

Oly, write one more REPLY first, before visiting the App Store, OK? Let us know you still have enough dexterity for a keyboard, OK? Otherwise... gee... then again, this is sort of like my hubby, too... except this image doesn't have hair stringing down.
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olyteddy
Senior Moderator
Posted on: 01 Nov 12 14:04
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ChristineBCW
MyCE Die Hard
Posted on: 01 Nov 12 14:55
Oly, glad to see you're apparently still alive! Or is that just a touchscreen ghost?!! ha ha...

I forgot to post, over on the 5 Things To Tell About Win8 thread, "1. Don't ask me to administer your device. 2. Don't ask me to administer your device. 3. Don't ask me..." etc. I wonder what MS's tech services department looks like?

Or wait - is my Dungeon Walls pix their new logo instead? Or have they changed their name to "Seppuku Department"?
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TSJnachos117
MyCE Senior Member
Posted on: 04 Nov 12 18:16
I still remember when my mother asked me why 8 is so cheap. Now we all know.

Actually, I suppose that's not true:
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrDuty411
We've all been under attack since Microsoft created (DRM - Digital Rights Management) and still that technology exists and the masses so blindly buy into it.
I find it quite sad that people can spend hours on the computer without even bothering to find out how ANYTHING works.
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ChristineBCW
MyCE Die Hard
Posted on: 04 Nov 12 18:29
"Psst, kid... c'mere... into the alley. Want some free samples? Bring yer friends, and I'll give a special deal when I sell to them, too."

Of course... knock off those first few phrases, and that's called "rebates by distributors" in every other industry.

But I'm sure that if Win8 AppStore is a big success, then they'll have Win9 or 10 that has the 'right' to steal into the computer and wipe out any program that isn't an 8Store subscription. And the data users created.

Yeah... DaVinci would have to give back all the paint and drawings. The paper, too. "Sorry - that's not WinCertified."
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yojimbo197
MyCE Senior Member
Posted on: 05 Nov 12 09:13
You know, this is making me reconsidering Linux.
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ChristineBCW
MyCE Die Hard
Posted on: 05 Nov 12 11:34
Yes. Nothing makes competitors look better than when old-standby's make long-time users feel betrayed or abandoned!

The "AppStore" concept is great for Security, by the way. "NO virus ever gets in because no application or download is allowed except thru the App Store."

Except... uh... do we REALLY want this? The great benefit of DOS-Windows has been the "Wide Open Spaces Of Programming" and "Programming without Jobs-ian Cultification (and paying them, too)" - the whole "outside the box" mentality of DOS Windows programming remains the big attraction.

Since Windows is going schizoid ("Am I a touch-screen OS or am I heavy into memorized keystrokes that can't possibly be duplicated on a touch screen?"), users can also wonder, "So, when will all of my memorized keystrokes be abandoned for a new set?"

After all, Microsoft HAS changed keystrokes. "New Folder" used to be ALT F F (Win95's 3 versions, Win98's 3 versions), then it became ALT F W (Win2000). And there have been several others. Win8's demands to memorize new keystrokes for productivity ("Wait! I thought this was touch-screen-centric!!") is only going to last until Microsoft changes those around.

And they will. Probably not in the next OS, but within 2 or 3, we'll have some new keystrokes that are now "better".

All I can say is, "I always liked WordPerfect far more than WordStar."
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aka74
MyCE Member
Posted on: 05 Nov 12 17:30
Quote:
The "AppStore" concept is great for Security, by the way. "NO virus ever gets in because no application or download is allowed except thru the App Store."
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...ware-kaspersky
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-574...n-google-play/

Not so secure someone wants to make us believe. I wonder how long will it take Windows Store to screw up and let some malware to leak in.
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yojimbo197
MyCE Senior Member
Posted on: 05 Nov 12 18:08
And to continue the evilness, now if you have too many people, Microsoft can block you from accessing your TV content....

http://www.geekwire.com/2012/microso...ng-tv-viewers/
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ChristineBCW
MyCE Die Hard
Posted on: 05 Nov 12 21:18
Quote:
Originally Posted by aka74
I wonder how long will it take Windows Store to screw up and let some malware to leak in.
So - what are the choices?

Minute 1
Day 1
Week 1
Month 1

I'd say, somewhere in there, a developer will try. In fact, I bet they already have and, "as a Microsoft Partner, they're just testing." Posting those results for Microsoft's uses is the goal.

And we know we all live in a great perfect world where everything always goes according to plan. cough cough...
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olyteddy
Senior Moderator
Posted on: 06 Nov 12 04:27
Quote:
And we know we all live in a great perfect world where everything always goes according to plan. cough cough...
Someone must have just got her Cinavia Remover from DVD Ranger...
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ChristineBCW
MyCE Die Hard
Posted on: 06 Nov 12 14:41
Oly, gee, I sure MIGHT have... if only I'd pre-purchased it-! But I spend too much time in dark alleys, buying HDMI cables to worry about actually using them to watch anything!

Say n'more, say n'more, wink wink, nudge nudge...
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aka74
MyCE Member
Posted on: 06 Nov 12 20:33
Whoa, is the Right to Read coming?
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olyteddy
Senior Moderator
Posted on: 07 Nov 12 06:51
Quote:
Originally Posted by aka74
Whoa, is the Right to Read coming?
Not unless you have a Kindle, iPad or Nook... http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/te.../18amazon.html
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