LG GSA-4163B Super Multi DVD Burner

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Article posted 13 Jan 05 05:01

Features

 

Test machine:


For this review we will be using a computer with the following configuration:

Hardware:

  • Motherboard: ECS Elitegroup N2U400-A with Nvidia nForce 2 Ultra-400 and nForce MCP chipset.
  •  Processor: AMD Athlon XP 2800+ (Barton) 333 MHz FSB.
  • RAM: 1 GB Infineon PC2700 DDR
  •  GFX: ATI Radeon 9600 XT
  •  Sound: SoundBlaster Audigy
  • Hard disk: Samsung SP1614N 160 GB.

System set-up:

The drive was connected as Secondary Master, identified itself as HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B. DMA (Direct Memory Access) and autorun was enabled for all devices.

Software:

Windows XP professional is installed on the computer along with Service Pack 2 for windows XP. We will be using the following software in this review:

Now it’s time to take a closer look at the write technology used by the LG GSA-4163B:

CD-Recordable:

The LG GSA-4163B uses Z-CLV, (Zone-Constant Linear Velocity), to write at its maximum speed of 40X. The drive wrote the last zone at 40.48X and this gives an average speed of 31.76x. Two drives for comparison are found below.

The Philips DVDR1640 uses CAV, (Constant Angular Velocity), to write at its maximum speed of 40X. This gives an average speed of 29.86x.

The Samsung TS-H552B uses P-CAV (Partial-Constant Angular Velocity) to write at its rated speed of 40x. This gives an average speed of 34.27x.

 For comparison we have made the following table: 

CD-R
Disc
Writing

Supported
Write
Speed

Write
Strategy

Start
Write
Speed

End
Write
 Speed

Average
 Write 
Speed

Write
 Time 
Full 80min

Philips
DVDRW885

24x

P-CAV

13.43x

24.55x

23.05x

3m:59s

LaCie d2
DVD
±RW DL

32x

Z-CLV
5 zones

16.00x

32.04x

27.35x

3m:36s

Philips
DVDR1640P

40x

CAV

17.74x

40.60x

29.86x

3m:21s

MSI
DR8-A2

40x

CAV

18.45x

41.47x

31.45x

3m:09s

BenQ
DW1620A

40x

CAV

17.75x

40.61x

29.37x

3m:24s

Pioneer
DVR-A08XLA

32x

Z-CLV
3 zones

16.03x

32.20x

24.94x

4m:00s

Samsung
TS-H522B

40x

P-CAV

20.91x

39.55x

34.27x

2m:47s

Mad Dog
MD-16XDVD9

48x

CAV

21.41x

48.16x

36.38x

2m:56s

Philips
ED16DVDR

48x

CAV

18.98x

42.88x

32.47x

3m:01s

LG
GSA-4163B

40x

Z-CLV
4 zones

16.01x

40.48x

31.76x

3m:15s

As we can read from the table, the LG GSA-4163B got an average writing time on CD-R’s.

CD-Rewritable:

The LG GSA-4163B uses Z-CLV, (Zone-Constant Linear Velocity), to write at its rated speed of 24x, this gives an average speed of 23.35x. Below are some other drives for comparison:

The Samsung TS-H552B uses P-CAV (Partial-Constant Angular Velocity) writing technology to write at 32X for CD-RW discs, the average speed is 30.21x.

 

The LaCie d2 DVD±RW Double Layer uses CLV (Constant Linear Velocity) writing technology to write at 16X for CD-RW discs, the average speed is 16x. For a better overview we present the following comparison table:

CD-RW
Disc
Writing

Supported
Write
Speed

Write
Strategy

Start
Write
Speed

End
Write
 Speed

Average
 Write 
Speed

Write
 Time 
Full 80min

Philips
DVDRW885

10x

CLV

9.95x

10.20x

9.93x

8m:33s

LaCie d2
DVD
±RW DL

16x

CLV

16x

16.06x

16x

5m:32s

Philips
DVDR1640P

24x

P-CAV

17.74x

25.20x

23.13x

3m:56s

MSI
DR8-A2

24x

P-CAV

18.30x

24.04x

23.43x

4m:03s

BenQ
DW1620A

24x

P-CAV

17.73x

24.54x

23.14x

3m:53s

Pioneer
DVR-A08XLA

24x

Z-CLV
3 zones

16.00x

24.06x

22.47x

4m:04s

Samsung
TS-H552B

32x

P-CAV

20.94x

31.85x

30.21x

3m:10s

Mad Dog
MD-16XDVD9

24x

Z-CLV
2 zones

n/a

n/a

n/a

n/a

Philips
ED16DVDR

24x

Z-CLV
2 Zones

16.04x

24.07x

22.63x

4m:10s

LG
GSA-4163B

24x

Z-CLV
2 Zones

16.01x

23.80x

23.35x

3m:54s

As we can see from the table, the LG GSA-4163B takes second place – compared with the others that also write CD-RW at 24x.

16X DVD+R / 16X DVD-R Writing speed:

The LG GSA-4163B uses P-CAV, (Partial-Constant Angular Velocity) to write DVD+R at 16x. The average speed is 12.87x and total writing time is 5 minutes and 34 seconds.

The LG GSA-4163B uses P-CAV, (Partial-Constant Angular Velocity) to write DVD-R at 16x. The average speed is 12.90x and total writing time is 5 minutes and 20 seconds.

The Samsung TS-H552B uses CAV, (Constant Angular Velocity) to write DVD+R at 16x. The average speed is 12.03x and total writing time is 5 minutes and 58 seconds.

The Philips DVDR1640P uses CAV, (Constant Angular Velocity) to write at 16x. The average speed is 11.56x and total writing time is 5 minutes and 48 seconds. The average speed is lower and the writing time is higher than it could have been due to the Walking OPC generation 2 using some time to constantly adjust the writing quality, we could see this as constant dips in the speed curve.

 

The BenQ DW1600A also uses CAV, (Constant Angular Velocity) to write at 16x. The average speed is 11.32x and total writing time is 6 minutes and 7 seconds. Below, we made a comparison table:

16x
DVDR
Disc
Writing

Supported
Write
Speed

Write
Strategy

Start
Write
Speed

End
Write
 Speed

Average
 Write 
Speed

Write
 Time 
Full 4.38Gb

BenQ
DW1600A

16x +R

CAV

6.13x

16.05x

11.32x

6m:07s

Philips
DVDR1640P

16x +R
8x ‘“R
16x ‘“R

CAV
P-CAV
CAV

4.52x
6.67x
6.68x

16.02x
8.05x
16.04x

11.56x
7.72x
11.62x

5m:48s
8m:22s
5m:58s

BenQ
DW1620A

16x +R
16x -R

CAV

5.37x
6.68x

16.00x
15.90x

11.51x
11.55x

5m:47s
6m:02s

Pioneer
DVR-A08XLA

16x +R
16x -R

Z-CLV
4 Zones

6.01x
6.01x

16.20x
16.24x

10.32x
10.33x

6m:51s*
6m:42s

Samsung
TS-H552B

16x +R
12x ‘“R

CAV
P-CAV

6.74x
5.18x

12.09x
12.09x

12.03x
9.21x

5m:58s
7m:10s

Mad Dog
MD-16xDVD9

16x +R
16x -R

CAV

6.64x
6.68x

15.96x
16.05x

11.69x
11.65x

6m:05s
6m:13s

Philips
ED16DVDR

16x +R
8x ‘“R

CAV
Z-CLV

6.69x
4.02x

16.00x
8.12x

11.98x
7.10x

5m:52s
9m:32s

LG
GSA-4163B

16x +R
16x -R

P-CAV

7.30x
7.31x

16.01x
16.01x

12.87x
12.90x

5m:34s
5m:20s

*Actual writing speed was 12X in these areas for the Pioneer A08.

From the table above, we can see that the LG GSA-4163s is the fastest drive writing DVD+R and DVD-R at 16x, since it is using the P-CAV Technique.

Features and techniques:


What is double layer recording technology?

Introduced by Philips and Mitsubishi Kagaku Media (MKM) in 2003, double layer recording technology offers two recordable layers on a single DVD disc, providing nearly double the capacity of 4.7GB single layer DVDs. The two individual layers are separated by a transparent buffer layer and are accessible from the same side of the disc, so recording can occur completely uninterrupted.

When a double layer disc is inserted into a compatible drive, the laser will focus on one of the layers and attempt to read an ADIP (Address in Pregroove) signal. From this signal, the drive is able to detect if the disc is a double layer DVD+R disc and which layer it’s focusing on. Once the media type and layer are determined, the laser can adjust its range of focus to read one of the two recordable layers.

Book type (bitsetting).

The LG GSA-4163B supports bit-setting and can write DVD+R and DVD+R9 DL media with DVD-ROM book type.

In our tests we used the Bitsetting option in Nero CD-DVD Speed to change the book-type:

Or you can use Nero Burning ROM (V.6.6.0.3) under the option ‘Choose Recorder” to change the booktype:

Here is how you could check if your discs are really written with DVD-ROM book type:

Start Nero CD-DVD Speed and click the Disc info button and you should get something like this:

DVD+R with book type DVD-ROM

DVD+R9 DL with Book type DVD-ROM

DVD+RW 8x and DVD-RW 6x

The LG GSA-4163B is one of the first DVD-writer to support DVD+RW re-writing at 8x and DVD-RW re-writing at 6x. Both media (DVD+RW 8x and DVD-RW 6x) that LG Korea sent us for our test purpose are just 2 unbranded disc, so there is no use to show them, but let us take a look at the media code and who the manufacturer is before we continue.

—————————————————————————
Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+RW:MKM-A03-000]
—————————————————————————
Disc & Book Type :       [DVD+RW] – [DVD+RW]
Manufacturer Name :      [Mitsubishi Kagaku Media]
Manufacturer ID :        [MKM]
Media Type ID :          [A03]
Product Revision :       [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity :    [Not Supported By Method 2]
Recording Speeds :       [1x , 2.4x , 4x]
                         [Method 2 Might Not Always Detect All Speeds]
—————————————————————————
** INFO : An Empty Writable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Drive = HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B [FW A101]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW DVD-R DVD-RW DVD-RAM
** INFO : Disc = [DVD+RW:MKM-A03-000]
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below
** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 11080 KBPS ( 8.00x) – [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 =  8310 KBPS ( 6.00x) – [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
Descriptor #1 = 11080 KBPS ( 8.00x) – [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 =  8310 KBPS ( 6.00x) – [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
—————————————————————————
** WARNING : Format 11h (Method 1) Is Recommended ADIP Retrieval Method
** WARNING : Format 00h (Method 2) Data Might Contain Drive Modified Values
** WARNING : Format 00h Might Not Return The Entire ‘Media Code’-Block
** INFO : Hex Dump Of ‘Media Code’-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding ‘Media Code’-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 00h (Method 2) – Physical Information (Copy Of ADIP)
0000 : 92 0f 04 00 00 03 00 00  00 26 05 3f 00 00 00 00   ………&.?….
0010 : 00 00 01 4d 4b 4d 00 00  00 00 00 41 30 33 00 39   …MKM…..A03.9
0020 : 23 00 94 79 64 02 20 00  9c 7a 6c 02 20 00 9a 7b   #..yd. ..zl. ..{
0030 : 68 02 20 12 12 10 e0 00  f0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   h. ………….
0040 : 01 00 17 38 00 29 8b 3e  02 24 00 2d 8e 38 02 24   …8.).>.$.-.8.$
0050 : 00 2c 90 3e 02 24 44 35  30 e0 f0 30 40 00 00 00   .,.>.$D50..0@…
—————————————————————————
[ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
—————————————————————————

—————————————————————————
Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-RW:MKM 01RW6X01]
—————————————————————————
Disc & Book Type :       [DVD-RW] – [DVD-RW]
Manufacturer Name :      [Manufacturer Not Found In Database]
Manufacturer ID :        [MKM 01RW6X01]
Blank Disc Capacity :    [2,298,496 Sectors = 4,489.3MB = 4.38GB (4.71GB)]
Recording Speeds :       [1x , 2x]
                         [6x And Higher Might Not Always Be Detectable]
—————————————————————————
** INFO : An Empty Writable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Drive = HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B [FW A101]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW DVD-R DVD-RW DVD-RAM
** INFO : Disc = [DVD-RW:MKM 01RW6X01]
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below
** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 =  8310 KBPS ( 6.00x) – [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 =  5540 KBPS ( 4.00x) – [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 =  2770 KBPS ( 2.00x) – [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
Descriptor #1 =  8310 KBPS ( 6.00x) – [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 =  5540 KBPS ( 4.00x) – [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 =  2770 KBPS ( 2.00x) – [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
—————————————————————————
** WARNING : Some Drives Do Not Return The Entire ‘Media Code’-Block
             When Dealing with Discs That Are Rated 6x And Higher.
** INFO : Hex Dump Of ‘Media Code’-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding ‘Media Code’-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 0Eh – Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
0000 : 01 02 d6 fd 9e d8 31 00  02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ……1………
0010 : 03 4d 4b 4d 20 30 31 00  04 52 57 36 58 30 31 00   .MKM 01..RW6X01.
0020 : 05 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  06 15 08 06 30 14 10 00   …………0…
0030 : 07 1e 05 02 88 20 16 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ….. ……….
—————————————————————————
[ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
—————————————————————————

As we can read from DVD Identifier, Mitsubishi Kagaku Media is the manufacturer of both media. Let us see what kind of write technology the LG GSA-4163B use to write these Medias.

DVD+RW 8x

DVD-RW 6x

According to the write graphs we can see that the LG GSA-4163B uses Z-CLV (Zone-Constant Linear Velocity) to write DVD+RW at 8x and CLV (Constant Linear Velocity) to write DVD-RW at 6x. Just how good the write quality is on these two DVD’s can be read later in this review.

 Included software:


Now it’s time to look at the included software and to comment if needed. Notice that we may not use the included software in our performance testing part of the review.

LG DVD Writer Solution:

Cyberlink PowerDVD:

Cyberlink PowerProducer Gold:

Nero Express 6:

In CD:

 

Now that we have finished examining the drive and its writing strategies, it’s time to head on to next page, which is reading performance test…


20 Comments

beijert
Posts: 39
Posted on: 12 Jan 05 17:36
Excellent review again!!! Is this the new No.1??? and the Benq 1620 goes to 2nd place??
Jucius_Maximus
Posts: 836
Posted on: 12 Jan 05 21:33
I am very impressed with this and I should be receiving my 4163B today. Though it does not completely eclipse BenQ because it does not support +RW bitsetting.
OC-Freak
Posts: 5644
Posted on: 12 Jan 05 22:01
They are both good drives. The LG is faster, supports more formats and has good quality. The BenQ on the other hand has much better media compatibility and overspeeding abilities along with great quality as well. + it has pretty good media testing abilities. But you will not go wrong with any of these drives - but remember, the LG is brand new, and we hope benQ and other manufacturers has something new in their pockets soon as well......
FreqNasty
Posts: 624
Posted on: 13 Jan 05 08:36
I'm sure they could rectify that in a firmware update. It's surprising why and for what reason they left it out. The drive is very nice though. The added support of dvd-r dl would be sweet.
Mookie13
Posts: 1
Posted on: 15 Jan 05 01:45
could you please comment on the noise the drive makes? It would be perfect if you could compare that noise to the BenQ 1620, the NEC3520 and the Plextor 716A! I'm about to buy one of these 4 drives in the next weeks and have a hard time decideing which one to get. But sinde I want to put it in an SFF it's gotta be as silent as possible. Cheers, Mookie
Kenshin
Posts: 12775
Posted on: 04 Feb 05 03:18
Maybe I'm answering too late, but better late than never. Noise in DVD writers is often decided by the speed regardless of drive. There's no drive that records at 16x silently unless it starts from 4x and ends at 8x and still calls it 16x. Because GSA-4163B is the ONLY P-CAV 16x DVD writer, it is possible that it makes the most noice in 16x DVD recording. Look at the writing graph and compare it with those from other 16x DVD writers. Though I have many other 16x DVD writers myself, I don't really know which is the most silent. Sometimes I feel LG is the most silent. Sometimes I feel Pioneer is. Surely not Lite-On.
chas0039
Posts: 7123
Posted on: 06 Mar 05 18:38
Very complete. I especially appreciated the scans of a wide variety of media and the attention to detail.
ibex333
Posts: 35
Posted on: 15 Mar 05 03:01
Wow!! What a perfect, thorough review. Thank you. I looked all over on the net trying to find a review, but only found it here. I had doubts if I should buy this drive or not. Now I'm convinced I can get get it. :g
Rob_Robinson3984
Posts: 11
Posted on: 15 Mar 05 18:21
Great article a little technical but overall well written. I brought the drive because of the price and I am very happy with it.:X:+
secarica
Posts: 1
Posted on: 26 Mar 05 20:19
Perhaps a good drive for DVD/CD writting, but in this review, apart from mentioning "digital audio connector" (intro page), there is no mention that the digital audio signal (SPDIF) is actually not present. I purchased this drive and sold it back 6 hours later because of that. The digital-like connector on the rear side is labeled "Reserved". The connector is simply unconnected inside the drive. Ough, back on the beginning. I have to read reviews again in order to find another one with similar pros / cons, which hopefully has SPDIF output physically present (and similar or up to 30% more price). Cristi
RKelpin
Posts: 2
Posted on: 07 Jun 05 16:24
I'd like to add that the read noise (especially interesting when playing DVD film) is very low. Rainer
Chilledoutuk
Posts: 143
Posted on: 17 Oct 05 16:21
lol U use spdiff why on earth cant you just use software that can playback the Cd-audio data on the disc through the data conection. Thats the best way really anyways. Pleb
guest
Posts: 15284
Posted on: 14 Feb 07 06:39
hi my computer totaly needed a reinstall n now my dvdram isnt loading in mycomputer window i need to reinstall the firmware from the original disk or somethin is there a link to get the original software for the LG GSA 4163B ir the disk iso would be best i moved to 100 mile about 700 km from where i was and my disk is back there with some stuff at family's house so if u can help would be much apreciated thanx
guest
Posts: 15284
Posted on: 16 Apr 07 07:54
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guest
Posts: 15284
Posted on: 16 Apr 07 07:57
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guest
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Posted on: 12 May 07 03:38
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guest
Posts: 15284
Posted on: 07 Jul 07 09:35
Please Help i lost the original disk with it i need it for the driver so i can hear dvds
guest
Posts: 15284
Posted on: 24 Nov 07 03:39
I bought this exact drive about a year ago I love the ease of use. But I have one problem. I bought a new motherboard and hard drive and in the process of loading the computer my grandson accidently broke my software bundle disk for the dvd so now I have no software for it I found the driver online but none of the bundle software. If anyone can tell me where to get a replacement it would be greatly appreciated
h2ouup2
Posts: 8
Posted on: 12 Jan 08 22:57
Sign up for their newsletter. I did and got version 7 for $6.99. Now thats a good deal. It's easy to use and so far so good. You would think for the price it would be lacking, but it's not. It does all the basics and even does Blu-Ray and HDDVD. It's not my main program, but it's nice to have on hand, and I like the fact that it isn't bloated. K
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Posted on: 29 Apr 08 19:37
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