Lite-On SHW-1635S review

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OC-Freak
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Article posted 05 Nov 05 15:08

DVD-Writing performance and DVD+R Writing quality

 

The specifications of this drive tell us that it should write DVD+R discs at 16x and DVD-R discs at 16X speed. In this part we will measure the write time for various types of DVD+/-R(W) discs. We do also focus on write quality and media compatibility.

DVD-Writing performance:


We will start with taking a look at the writing strategy used and compare it to other drives;

 

The Lite-On SHW-1635S uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) to write at 16x speed. This gives an average speed of 11.96x and a total writing time of 5m:59s. Let us also take a look at writing a DVD-R disc:

As we could see it also uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) to write DVD-R at 16x. This gives an average speed of about 11.96x and a writing time of 5 minutes and 56 seconds. We have also included the results from two other drives below.

 

The BenQ DW1640 uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) to write at 16x. This gives an average writing speed of 11.51x and the lowest time we have obtained is 5 minutes and 44 seconds. The drive uses a bit longer time than ideally since it uses running OPC technology when writing (shown as small dips in the transfer curve above).

 

The LG GSA-5163D uses P-CAV (Partial-Constant Angular Velocity) to write at 16x. The average speed for the LG GSA-5163D is 12.82x and total writing time is 5 minutes and 19 seconds. This is the fastest result we have got with all tested writers so far, and is thus the record to beat for other drives.

Let us see how long of a time it needs to create a disc with Nero. We used Nero Burning Rom to set up a new UDF/ISO compilation containing 4483Mb of data, and started the write process. We used the Disc-At-Once write method.


DVD+R


DVD-R

The DVD+R disc was finished in 6 minutes and 14 seconds, while the DVD-R disc was finished in 6 minutes and 22 seconds; again we are unable to show the usual picture due to the new Nero version.

16x
DVDR
Disc
Writing

Write
Strategy

Supported
Write
Speed

Start
Write
Speed

End
Write
 Speed

Average
 Write 
Speed

Write
 Time 
CD-Speed
4.38Gb

Write Time
Nero
4.38Gb

Aopen
DUW1608/ARR

CAV
Z-CLV

16x +R
8x ‘“R

6.69x
4.01x

15.90x
8.04x

11.90x
7.31x

6m:51s
9m:08s

6m:49s
9m:17s

LG
GSA-5163D

P-CAV
P-CAV

16x +R
16x ‘“R

7.30x
7.31x

15.94x
15.95x

12.75x
12.82x

5m:30s
5m:19s

5m:32s
5m:25s

Lite-On
SOHW-1673S

CAV
CAV

16x +R
16x ‘“R

6.66x
6.68x

15.95x
15.99x

11.92x
11.97x

5m:54s
6m:10s

6m:02s
6m:17s

NEC
ND-3540A

CAV
CAV

16x +R
16x ‘“R

6.70x
6.69x

16.06x
16.07x

11.81x
11.80x

5m:58s
5m:52s

6m:17s
6m:05s

BenQ
DW1640

CAV
CAV

16x +R
16x -R

5.70x
5.32x

15.95x
15.99x

11.53x
11.41x

5m:44s
6m:06s

6m:01s
6m:11s

Pioneer
DVR-110D

CAV
CAV

16x +R
16x -R

6.27x
6.32x

15.87x
15.80x

11.58x
11.59x

6m:09s
6m:01s

6m:25s
6m:11s

Samsung
SH-W162C

CAV
CAV

16x +R
16x -R

6.70x
6.69x

16.04x
16.05x

11.78x
11.68x

5m:37s
5m:53s

5m:42s
6m:11s

Lite-On
SHW-1635S

CAV
CAV

16x +R
16x -R

6.68x
6.67x

15.99x
16.00x

11.96x
11.96x

5m:59s
5m:56s

6m:14s
6m:22s

The Lite-On SHW-1635S is not the fastest drive around, but it’s still below the 6 minute mark in Nero CD-DVD Speed. But let us take a look at the writing quality of this drive, maybe Lite-On have finally gotten it right?

Write quality:


You should first notice that this is not a scientific and professional way to test the discs. But according to our testing done in recent months, we would conclude that there is a clear link between the quality reported when scanning the disc and the playability of the disc in different devices. Also notice that different drives report different amounts of errors. K-Probe was designed to work with Lite-On DVD-Writers. So we recommend using a DVD-Writer from Lite-On, in this test we use a Lite-On SOHW-1693S DVD-Writer, as already said; remember that scans done with a Lite-On DVD-ROM or Lite-On combo drive can’t be compared with the results obtained with a Lite-On DVD-Writer. Also remember that different PI/PO ECC sum settings along with different reading speeds in K-Probe will affect the result, we use these settings;  PI (Parity Inner) set to summarize 8 ECC blocks, PIF (Parity Inner Failures) set to summarize 1 ECC block, reading speed: 4X CLV (Constant Linear Velocity). Setting the PI sum to 8 and the PIF sum to 1 will give a result that we may compare to the standards for DVD+R/RW and DVD-R/RW.

But what is a good scan? That is a discussion that we don’t think will end soon, as different drives report different amount of errors, some players is more picky about media than others, and so on. But as a comparison we present you with a scan from two pressed DVD discs:


This scan shows the results from a pressed DVD-ROM disc (Colin McRae Rally 2005).

 

This scan shows the result from a pressed DVD-Video disk (Final Destination). Notice the error jump when shifting to the second layer (the error level actually drops from the end of the first layer to the beginning of the second layer).

If you read below you will see that both the pressed DVD-discs are well within the standards.

Download the ECMA 267 Standard for DVD-ROM, the ECMA 337 Standard for DVD+R/RW and the ECMA 338 Standard for DVD-R/RW at http://www.ecma-international.org if you want to look at the standards for yourself. Here is some data from the ECMA standards (same for DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW and DVD+R/RW):

Random errors:

A row of an ECC Block that has at least 1 byte in error constitutes a PI error. In any 8
consecutive ECC Blocks the total number of PI errors before correction shall not exceed 280.

Here we see what a PI error is defined as a row in an ECC block having 1 byte or more containing errors. And that the sum of PI errors in 8 ECC blocks after each other should not exceed 280 PI errors.

But what is a row and what is an ECC block? Again we refer to the ECMA standards. We do not copy and paste everything but if interested look in the ECMA standards. A row is 182 bytes long where the last 10 bytes contain PI (Parity Inner) information. An ECC block is 208 rows long where the last 16 rows contain the PO (Parity Outer) information. This gives us a maximum possible PI error amount of 208 errors per block and for 8 blocks after each other this sum is of course 8 times higher giving a maximum possible amount of 1664 PIE-8 errors. In practical use a disc with 1664 PIE-8 errors is unreadable.

According to our tests the specified max PI-8 sum of 280 for good discs seems to be a good guideline, as some readers have problems reading discs when the PI-8 errors is over 300 and most players starts to have problems when the PI-8 error level reaches 600 or more.

But what are the PIF errors that K-Probe reports? They are Parity Inner Failures, meaning errors left after PI correction. Only the ECMA 337 standard describes the Parity Inner Failures. So how is a Parity Inner Failure defined? Here are what ECMA 337 states:

‘If a row of an ECC Block as defined in 13.3 contains more than 5 erroneous bytes, the row is said to be ‘PI-uncorrectable”.”

In theory an ECC block may in the worst case have 208 PIF since every ECC block is 208 rows long. But the ECMA 337 standard goes further and specifies the max amount of accepted PI Failures (uncorrectable errors) allowed on a good disc:

‘- In any ECC Block the number of PI-uncorrectable rows should not exceed 4.”  

This means that when the PIF sum is set to 1 the maximum error value should not exceed 4. The theoretical maximum value for PIF is 208 errors.

But what makes a disc unreadable? A POF (Parity Outer Failure) error will make the disc unreadable, but K-Probe does not display the POF’s.

Notice that there are other aspects such as disc reflectivity, jitter, tracking errors and so on that also will affect the readability of a DVD disc ‘“ but for this we do not have measuring equipment available.

And another note is that we have scanned the discs at 4X CLV speed, by lowering the speed to 2X(DVD-R/RW)/2.4X(DVD+R/RW) or 1X the amount of reported errors may drop on some discs. We scanned at 4X CLV due to lower speeds taking to much time.

To see if there is a connection between the reported amount of errors and readability of the discs we also include the reading curve from a NEC ND-3540A DVD-Writer. A small speed reduction near the end is still accepted on good discs, but serious reading problems or reading failures is a bad sign.

Easier explanation on how to read the test results.


Maybe this got too technical, and you are wondering what to look for in KProbe reports?

Use this as a guideline for good discs:

PI(Parity Inner): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 280 PI-8 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 280.
PIF(Parity Inner Failures): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 4 PIF-1 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 4.

And as always; lower is better ;)

And look at the reading curve; does it look clean with no dips? Then it should be good, a small slowdown near the end is acceptable.

DVD+R media compatibility and write quality:



Brand:

BenQ ‘“ thanks to Daxon for providing it.

Manufacturer:

Daxon

Code:

DAXON.AZ3

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

6m:08s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

6.44

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.05

No problems with this media, the error levels are low and increases just slightly near the end. Recommended media.




Brand:

Verbatim

Manufacturer:

Moser Baer India with Mitsubishi technology

Code:

MCC004

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

5m:59s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

4.89

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.02

There are some more errors on the last half of the disc, but not enough to cause any problems. Also recommended media.




Brand:

ePro

Manufacturer:

Prodisc

Code:

Prodisc.R04

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

5m:59s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

11.83

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.04

The error level increases noticeably near the end, Lite-On should look into calibrating the drive better for this media as it works with no problems in other drives. The reading curve is still perfect and there will most likely not be problems




Brand:

RiDisc ‘“ thanks to e-net Distribution for providing this media

Manufacturer:

CMC Magnetics

Code:

CMC.MAG.M01

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

6m:16s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

8.62

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.10

This media also works satisfactorily and should not cause any problems.



Brand:

Acro Circle ‘“ thanks to Optodisc USA for providing this media.

Manufacturer:

Optodisc

Code:

Optodisc.R16

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

6m:05s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

13.16

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.05

We could see that the error level increases near the end, but not enough to cause any problems. Keep in mind that this Optodisc media appears to be of better quality than most Optodisc media available on the market.



Brand:

Traxdata ‘“ thanks to Conrexx for providing it.

Manufacturer:

Ritek

Code:

RITEK.P16

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

6m:05s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

6.09

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.79

The first real failure, but we suspect that it may be caused by poor media quality rather than a problem with the Lite-On SHW-1635S drive. Avoid this media.




Brand:

That’s Write

Manufacturer:

Philips/CMC Magnetics

Code:

Philips.C16 (Revision 001)

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

12x

Write Time:

7m:20s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

1.52

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.07

Unfortunately only supported at 12x, but the result is very good, and we could recommend this media if 12x writing speed is enough for you.



Brand:

TDK

Manufacturer:

TDK / CMC Magnetics

Code:

TDK 003

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

6m:21s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

21.44

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.10

Again the error level is a bit high near the end, but still within the allowed limits. Lite-On probably needs to optimise the drive better for this media.



Brand:

RiData ‘“ thanks to RiData for providing it.

Manufacturer:

Ritek

Code:

RITEK R03 (Revision 001)

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:29s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

6.93

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.03

No problems at all with this media.



Brand:

Emgeton ‘“ thanks to Bell technology for providing this media

Manufacturer:

Infomedia

Code:

Infome.R20

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:36s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

2.75

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.07

No problems with this rather rare media either.


 

Brand:

Datawrite titanium ‘“ thanks to e-net for providing it.

Manufacturer:

Prodisc

Code:

PRODISC.R03

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:31s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

1.51

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.26

The drive performed very well with the Prodisc media and we have no problems recommending this media.



Brand:

Miflop extreme ‘“ thanks to Miflop media for providing it.

Manufacturer:

Taiyo Yuden

Code:

YUDEN000T02

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:27s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.91

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.01

And Taiyo Yuden works excellent as expected. Highly recommended media.


 

Brand:

Acro Circle, thanks to Optodisc USA for providing it.

Manufacturer:

Optodisc

Code:

OPTODISC.OR8

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:38s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

1.84

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.13

No noticeable problems with this media, but notice that the media we used for this review is among the better Optodisc media on the market.


 

Brand:

Prodye Video

Manufacturer:

Unknown

Code:

Plasmon1C01

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

9m:01s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

17.51

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.31

A bit high amount of errors at the start of the disc, but overall an acceptable result with this rather low quality media.



Brand:

ProDVD

Manufacturer:

UME Disc ‘“ Hong Kong.

Code:

AML 002

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:47s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

2.27

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.04

A surprisingly good result with this low quality media.




Brand:

Commodore

Manufacturer:

Vanguard Disc Inc.

Code:

VDSPMSAB002

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

9m:57s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

4.55

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.02

Another surprise, this low quality media also gave pretty good results.

Head on to next page and read about DVD-R compatibility and write quality as well as DVD+/-RW writing quality and speed…


16 Comments

Scour
Posts: 998
Posted on: 05 Nov 05 20:27
Good review with a good drive I´m surprised about the improving from older 16x Liteon to the newer ones. But what in the hell Liteon think when tey optimizing the RW-strageties?
CyberMan969
Posts: 628
Posted on: 26 Dec 05 01:08
Great review. I have this drive and the latest firmware YS0V is really good especially with cheap media. Tried it so far MCC 004, PRODISC-R04-04, DVD+Rs and TTG02 DVD-Rs and it achieved constant scores of 90 to 95 in Nero CD-DVD Speeds. Lead-in is written much faster too, with TTG02 it does that in just 30 sec, with the other ones I tested in 41 sec. Overall, Liteon managed to tweak the firmware, if you own this drive you have to flash to YS0V! :X
digit010
Posts: 35
Posted on: 08 Nov 06 05:30
I wouldn't usually recommend this type of "All in one" tool but I must say that ConvertXToDVD is pretty good at what it does and is easy for users that are new to DVD conversion.
guest
Posts: 15284
Posted on: 19 Apr 07 18:37
who has the unlock number i have lost mine
H3rB3i
Posts: 4026
Posted on: 24 Apr 07 14:32
contact VSO support, they're happy to help when you have bought the program.
dizbuster
Posts: 5
Posted on: 25 Apr 07 22:41
This program used to be quite quick but VSO have F**ked about with it that much that it has slowed it down. Dont mind the extas but we want speed. :r WinAVI is much quicker. Cmon VSO give us the speed of WinAVI 7.7 :B
guest
Posts: 15284
Posted on: 11 Jul 07 22:59
did you update to the version 2.2 the program has been optimized for speed, it is more than 30% faster :d , but you can't really compare the compatibility and the quality of WinAVI. And I don't mention the DVD menu and subtitles managements.
guest
Posts: 15284
Posted on: 15 Jul 07 03:47
The program uses the free FFMPEG encoder so they are limited to what is available but saying that they seem to be scared to `switich on` what is available at the moment. They should say now that update support will be coming to a end with-in the year or switch to a different encoder.
guest
Posts: 15284
Posted on: 24 Feb 08 04:59
beautiful :B
weedoggie
Posts: 3
Posted on: 16 Mar 08 01:33
yea, ive had the program for less than a month and it doesnt seem to be working very well at all. does great till around the 16th chapter and then it craps out! the video stops playing and the dvd player "like freezes up" for about 5 minutes and goes back to the menu page. . no daps from me. not until i get this thing working right.
guest
Posts: 15284
Posted on: 17 May 08 18:42
Stick with nero vision or an older version of VSO ConvertXtoDVD,the latest releases are slowwwwwwww.
hangeroo2
Posts: 1
Posted on: 02 Jan 09 20:07
Any idea on how I can change the PAL setting on version 2.2.3?
guest
Posts: 15284
Posted on: 23 Feb 09 15:14
One of the great things about this program is multicore support. It can use all four cores of your Intel Q-series or i7, or AMD X3 or X4. Nero Vision isn't nearly as capable in that regard.
guest
Posts: 15284
Posted on: 01 Mar 09 22:12
licensing scheme is screws you, especially since they use free ffmpeg...if gonna use free ffmpeg, make updates free forever. Bay deal
rajpjw
Posts: 2
Posted on: 06 Jun 09 00:54
be sure of format of file you're trying to convert then use settings of convertx to adjust and should burn to dvd ok. if your cpu is a slow one (under 2.4 ghz)this may freeze and play havoc with your burning.
Cardlady 47
Posts: 1
Posted on: 17 Jul 09 16:25
I have had this program for quite a while now but would like to know if a similar or comparable program is available for the Mac OS X. thanks for your help

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