Liteon iHBS112 BD-ReWriter Review

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Vroom
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Article posted 07 Aug 10 14:39

DVD+R/RW Writing performance

The specifications of this drive tell us that it should write DVD±R at 16x and DVD+RW/-RW at 8x/6x. In this part, we will measure the writing times for various types of DVD+R/RW and DVD-R/RW discs. We will also focus on write quality and media compatibility.

Write quality:


Disc Quality Scanning – PI/PO:

DVDs use an error detection and correction system (ECC) which is usually transparent to the end-user, but we can get an idea of the "quality" of a disc by performing Disc Quality Scanning, which shows how many errors the drive is detecting and correcting behind the scenes.

There are two layers or stages of error detection and correction on all DVD media; these are called Parity Inner (PI) and Parity Outer (PO). Data is arranged in ECC blocks containing rows and columns of user data with additional columns of PI error correction and rows of PO error correction.

An ECC block contains 32 KByte of user data with some added control data, scrambled and arranged in 192 rows and 172 columns with an additional 10 columns of PI error correction and 16 rows of PO error correction.

The Parity Inner stage is performed first, and up to 5 bytes in a row can be corrected. Any row with one or more errors is counted as a Parity Inner Error (PIE). Any row with more than 5 errors is considered un-correctable and is counted as a Parity Inner Failure (PIF).

The Parity Outer stage is performed next and will detect and attempt to correct any errors that are still left after the PI stage. Any column that has errors is counted as a Parity Outer Error (POE), and any column that has un-correctable errors is counted as a Parity Outer Failure (POF). If a POF occurs the drive can sometimes re-read the problematic spot and correct the problem; this happens only during normal reading and not during scanning, however.

Disc Quality scanning is influenced by the drive performing the test, and that’s why different drives report different results and even the same drive will report (slightly) different results when scanning the same disc again. Please note that PI/PO and Jitter scans only test some aspects of disc quality and that other important aspects are not revealed.

But what is a good scan? That is a discussion that we don’t think will end soon, as different drives report different amounts of errors, some players are more picky about media than others, and so on. But as a comparison we present you with scans from two pressed DVD discs:

The scan above shows the results from a pressed, Single Layer DVD-Video disc (Goldeneye).

The above scan shows the result from a pressed Double Layer DVD-Video disc (The Green Mile).

The Lite-On DVD burners used in this review report errors as follows:

  • PIE per 8 ECC blocks (rows with 1 or more bytes in error)
  • PIF per 1 ECC block (rows with 6 or more bytes in error)

We want to see as low error numbers as possible.
PIE per 8 ECC blocks should be no higher than 280.
PIF per 1 ECC block should be no higher than 4.

Both the pressed DVD-discs above are well within the standards if we ignore the single PIF spike in the DL scan.

If you want to look at the standards for yourself, download the ECMA 267 Standard for DVD-ROM, the ECMA 337 Standard for DVD+R/RW and the ECMA 338 Standard for DVD-R/RW at http://www.ecma-international.org.

Notice that there are other aspects such as disc reflectivity, tracking errors and so on that also will affect the readability of a DVD disc – but for this we do not have measuring equipment available.

Also, another note is that we have scanned the discs at 4X speed, by lowering the speed to 2X (DVD-R/RW)/2.4X (DVD+R/RW) or 1X the amount of reported errors may drop on some discs. We scanned at 4X CLV due to lower speeds taking too much time.

To see if there is a connection between the reported amount of errors and readability of the discs we also include the reading curve from an Optiarc AD-7200A DVD-Writer which by default is able to read DVD±R media at 16x speed. A small speed reduction near the end is still accepted on good discs, but serious reading problems or reading failures is a bad sign.

Jitter:

Jitter is a very complex subject and even more difficult to explain when we start to use optical drives designed for the home market to measure jitter values.

Let’s first look at the DVD specification for pressed DVD discs (in the bold part courtesy of Pioneer Electronics).

“The DVD design target is that when the worst-case disc allowed by the specification, considering the economics of production, is played using the worst-case pickup that can be produced in volume economically, the byte error rate after error correction will still be 1 x 10--20, which is good enough to be acceptable for computer applications.

Since the above target is for "after error correction," the error correction capability must be calculated. Considering the trade-off between error correction capability and the overhead of the added redundancy, the DVD format was set to one ECC block per 32 KB. This requires a byte error rate before correction of 1 x 10-2.
In order to achieve good economy on both the part of the discs and the playback mechanisms. The current disc tilt specification was determined as a result of the efforts on both sides.

As will be explained hereafter, it is difficult to make the error rate a specification of the disc itself. Therefore, a jitter standard is set by the DVD specifications. A simple calculation based on a normal distribution requires that the jitter rate be under 15.4%, and experimental results indicate that jitter must be under 16%, to achieve the required error rate. Since the disc tilt varies within a revolution, it was decided to adopt the design concept that jitter must remain within 16% at the instantaneous peak value of tilt. Since it is actually very difficult to measure the peak value, the concept became to measure the average jitter at under 15%, and the byte error rate at under 5 x 10-3.”

What is Jitter?

In basic terms, we could say jitter is a product of “pit and land distortion” In other words, the drive reading the disc has to compensate by means of a “tilt servo” which constantly tries to move and refocus the PUH lens for optimum tracking and tries to compensate for the imperfections of pits and lands on the pressed or recordable media. This is further compounded by the hardware used for recording and playback. Not only is the record and replay process limited by the resolution of the optical pickup, it is also horribly non-linear. In addition, the playback of the pits is subject to non-linear crosstalk from nearby pits in the same track, and also from pits in nearby tracks.

The things that causes jitter divide into three main types.

  • Variation in pit length and width.
  • Crosstalk from nearby pits in the same track.
  • Crosstalk from pits in adjacent tracks.

 

Variation in pit length and width.

The recorded pits themselves are not perfectly accurate. Anything which causes variations in the sizes of the pits will produce jitter. A prime culprit of this is sudden variations in laser power (laser noise). If laser power varies, then the laser beam itself changes and will vary in intensity and possibly focus. This will cause the pit length and width to also vary and we now have jitter.

Crosstalk from nearby pits in the same track.

If the pits are not totally accurate, then the laser beam spot may overrun a pit and gather data from the adjacent pit in the same track, or if the “land” is to short, then the laser beam spot can be influenced by the adjacent pit and this is called inter-symbol interference. Inter-symbol interference is worse at low recording velocities, because the pits are shorter and closer together. And it is the cause of "deviation" of the pit lengths.

Crosstalk from pits in adjacent tracks.

Crosstalk between pits in adjacent tracks is caused by the laser beam spot being larger than the width of the track. It is a largely random contribution and is worse at lower recorded velocities, because the highest frequency components of the readout signal in the wanted track, with which the crosstalk is competing, are weaker.

Some other factors to consider

There are many aspects to consider when we add Recordable DVD media into the mix. We are now dealing with an organic dye, which is inherently unstable. We must also consider the equipment we are using to measure jitter is aimed at the home market. So we must also take into account variations between drives that we are unable to calibrate for such tests.

Now let’s look at some of the hardware limitations of the drives we are using to measure jitter.

If there is no tilt, then the jitter value includes components from light source noise, circuit noise, disc noise, standard interference between symbols (inter -symbol interference), and some small amount of crosstalk from the neighbouring tracks.

Next we consider manufacturing variation in the circuitry.
Variation due to the circuitry have noise-like characteristics, and increase the minimum jitter level, but are thought to have a very small effect on tilt margin. Factors such as offset in the servo circuit, however, both increase the jitter level and decrease tilt margin.

How we will measure jitter.

We will be using a Lite-On DVD writer to conduct these tests along with Nero CD-Speed at 4x scanning speed. In the screen shot below we can see a PI/PIF scan including a jitter test (the purple graph in the lower window) we carried out on a single layer DVD+R media.

Now, let’s find a reasonable average jitter level. Experimental results indicate that 8% average value or less is a desirable figure, based on the DVD specification. That does not mean that jitter average values above 8% are bad. In fact, many optical drives will quite happily read recordable DVD media with jitter values of more than 14% average without any problems. Other drives, including standalone DVD players may begin to struggle reading discs with average jitter values above 10%. So there is a fairly wide range of acceptable values. One must test their own playback devices to see what they can cope with.

However, for the purpose of having a basic guideline we can use in our reviews, we present a rating system for average jitter values.

·         Less than 8% (average) = Very good

·         8% – 9% (average) = good

·         9% – 12% (average) = average

·         Above 12% (average) = poor

Here is an easier explanation on how to read the test results

Maybe this got too technical, and you are wondering what to look for in your Nero DiscSpeed/CD-Speed Quality Scans?

Use this as a guideline for good discs:

·         PI (Parity Inner): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 280 PI-8 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 280.

·         PIF (Parity Inner Failures): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 4 PIF-1 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 4.

·         Jitter: An average jitter value of 8% or less is considered very good. You should not worry too much if the average value is slightly above this figure.

And as always; lower is better image078

DVD+R media compatibility and write quality:


In these tests we will be using a Lite-On iHAS524 with firmware BLC1 and the DH20A3P with firmware XV6D along with Opti Drive Control to measure the disc quality. We will also be using the Optiarc AD-7240S with firmware 1.03 along with Opti Drive Control for our read-back tests.

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Brand:

Verbatim – Thanks to Verbatim (Europe) for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

Mitsubishi Chemicals Corporation

Code:

MCC 004 (made in UAE)

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4482MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x (CAV)

Write Time:

12m:52s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.45

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.00

Jitter average

9.3%

An excellent result to start our tests.


Brand:

JVC

Manufacturer:

Taiyo Yuden

Code:

YUDEN000T03 (made in Japan)

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4482MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x (CAV)

Write Time:

5m:36s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

1.51

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.01

Jitter average

8.3%

The result is very good.


Brand:

Thats

Manufacturer:

Taiyo Yuden

Code:

YUDEN000T02 (made in Japan)

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4482MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x (Z-CLV)

Write Time:

8m:24s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.90

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.00

Jitter average

9.5%

Another excellent result from this 8x  that’s media manufactured by Taiyo Yuden.


Brand:

Maxell

Manufacturer:

Ritek

Code:

RITEK F16 (001) (made in Taiwan)

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4482MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x (CAV)

Write Time:

12m:47s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

2.37

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.01

Average Jitter:

11.9%

The result is good, and the TRT was perfect.


Brand:

SONY

Manufacturer:

SONY

Code:

SONY D21 (000)

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4482MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x (CAV)

Write Time:

5m:35s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

2.22

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.01

Jitter average

9.3%

The result is good.

DVD+RW media compatibility and write quality:


We used the same test procedures as in our DVD+R tests.

Below are our obtained results.

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Brand:

Verbatim – Thanks to Verbatim Europe for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

Mitsubishi Chemicals

Code:

MKM A03 (made in Taiwan)

Disc Type:

DVD+RW

Capacity:

4482MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x (Z-CLV)

Write Time:

7m:48s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

8.70

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.00

Jitter average

9.5%

The result is excellent for a rewritable media.


Summary:

The Liteon iHBS112 writes DVD+R with very good to excellent quality. DVD+RW writing with our tested media was excellent.

Now let’s look at DVD-R/RW performance and quality on the next page…..

40 Comments

Im a PC
Posts: 58
Posted on: 07 Aug 10 23:52
Please test more Blu-ray media. Burning 3-4 types at 2x or 4x doesn't quite cut it.
hajj_3
Posts: 203
Posted on: 07 Aug 10 23:57
yeah, some Verbatim and TDK 6x BD-R and BD-R DL media would be better tests as most people don't want to burn at 2x or 4x.
Dennis_Olof
Posts: 221
Posted on: 08 Aug 10 13:14
The BIG issue with Liteon iHBS112 is the fact that it does not work with BD-R LTH discs.

It is a new burner and the odd thing is the old Liteon DH-4B1S worked with LTH even though you needed a firmware upgrade. That was before LTH disc where on the market, but now you would expect all new Blu-Ray burners to work with LTH discs. 2x is slow but media is cheap, a lot of people will like LTH becaus of the media price.
Im a PC
Posts: 58
Posted on: 08 Aug 10 16:56
Supposedly it works with LtH media from TY.
vroom
Posts: 6731
Posted on: 08 Aug 10 17:17
This are all the media that i have, if i get some more media with a higher speed i will update the review.
You can also view this thread for more.

@Dennis_Olof
Yes it was disappointing that the drive failed to burn the LTH discs, i hope that a new firmware will fix this.
Dennis_Olof
Posts: 221
Posted on: 09 Aug 10 11:03
Good NEWS.

Wrote to the people at Liteon IT Support.

As I write this they informed me that they are working on a new firmware that will support LTH BD-R discs and it will be in the next firmware release. When it will be released I don't know but I guess it will be out soon enough.

So thats it, this drive is the the one to buy. Getting it asap.

Thanks for a great review
Boonnrub
Posts: 12
Posted on: 09 Aug 10 12:13
Thanks for the review.

The quality scans look horrible in my eyes, or is it just me? I guess, low quality scores and yellow/red peaks are bad.
Im a PC
Posts: 58
Posted on: 09 Aug 10 18:25
I wouldn't put too much faith in the BD quality scans. It has yet to be shown that any of these drives are actually accurate in this regard.
debro
Posts: 12922
Posted on: 10 Aug 10 04:53
How can a drive support writing at a higher speed than reading?

Hmm ... the discs wobble too much to be able to read them, but focussing a laser on them, and burning a hole in the dye is fine .. seriously? WTF?
Boonnrub
Posts: 12
Posted on: 11 Aug 10 10:04
Quote:
Originally Posted by Im a PC View Post
I wouldn't put too much faith in the BD quality scans. It has yet to be shown that any of these drives are actually accurate in this regard.
Uhm... Okay, but wouldn't that be even worse?
Red peaks, okay, shit happens... But no reliable quality scans at all? Sounds not good
Gymno
Posts: 23
Posted on: 17 Aug 10 11:52
got an email from Liteon telling that a new firmware upgrade CL06 should be already available via SmartPack.
im keep trying but it doesnt find anything new...
Anyway i really hope they fixed those bugs,some of them are really "heavy".
Wasted many bd that arent read by my samsung 1500 while Liteon can read it perfectly
vroom
Posts: 6731
Posted on: 17 Aug 10 12:29
I also checked today with smartpack and i also got the same result, No new firmware is available for this drive.
Gymno
Posts: 23
Posted on: 17 Aug 10 13:32
yeah finally! tryed few minutes ago and here we go new firmware available via smartpack

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/5835/firmwareg.jpg

as you can see its called "CL0B", i've installed it and lets hope they fixed all
Gymno
Posts: 23
Posted on: 17 Aug 10 19:17
no way liteon! tryed to burn a verbatim LTH with nero 8.3.2.1 and no way
still got that error at the beginning of burning:
"its not possible to use Disk-at-once mode" and stopped

so what did they really fixed? meanwhile ANOTHER bd wasted.
_chef_
Posts: 29852
Posted on: 17 Aug 10 22:10
Try at 2x...........
Gymno
Posts: 23
Posted on: 17 Aug 10 23:26
Quote:
Originally Posted by _chef_ View Post
Try at 2x...........
yup i can only burn at that speed.cant set lower or higher. Meanwhile i tryed that bd (only ~350mb were written) with imgburn and i was able to write something into. Yet still not playable with my bluray player.

Anyway dont know why Nero gave me that error
Gymno
Posts: 23
Posted on: 18 Aug 10 09:59
anyway i've been able to burn the same media with Imgburn with no problems! Finally. Also because i like more Imgburn then Nero (still wondering whats happened tho)
Liteon suggest me to that the drive could be fault,but hows that? Since imgburn can make perfect disk
jalyst
Posts: 88
Posted on: 01 Sep 10 08:59
Nice, subscribing to thread!
_chef_
Posts: 29852
Posted on: 01 Sep 10 10:21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gymno View Post
yup i can only burn at that speed.cant set lower or higher. Meanwhile i tryed that bd (only ~350mb were written) with imgburn and i was able to write something into. Yet still not playable with my bluray player.

Anyway dont know why Nero gave me that error
I have no crystal ball!

Start with posting a FULL log.
CharlieGulf
Posts: 3
Posted on: 16 Dec 10 02:57
"The other issue if that you need to manually set the BookType."

What does "manually" mean? In what way is this different than other burners? What is considered normal?
_chef_
Posts: 29852
Posted on: 16 Dec 10 09:38
Depends on your burning app.

Which is used?
vroom
Posts: 6731
Posted on: 16 Dec 10 11:19
Quote:
Originally Posted by CharlieGulf View Post
"The other issue if that you need to manually set the BookType."

What does "manually" mean? In what way is this different than other burners? What is considered normal?
It means that you need to set the booktype manually through your burning software, like IMGBurn or nero disc speed.
CharlieGulf
Posts: 3
Posted on: 16 Dec 10 16:58
Quote:
Originally Posted by vroom View Post
It means that you need to set the booktype manually through your burning software, like IMGBurn or nero disc speed.
Thanks Vroom. I think all the drives I've owned have been that way, if they supported bitsetting at all. How would "automatic" work? Set it once and forget it?
vroom
Posts: 6731
Posted on: 16 Dec 10 17:51
Yes, some drives can have that option, plextor has it. i think that you can do that with a liteon drive also, and some other drives need to patch the firmware for bitesetting to be auto set to dvd-rom
me4tux
Posts: 27
Posted on: 25 Jan 11 20:02
I haven't been keeping up with the forum for sometime now.... But, I think it's time for me to get a blu-ray drive preferably one that "plays" back 3D.

This is a key feature since 3D capable standalone players are still expensive and some seem proprietary in the manner that 3D content is viewed on their HDTV sets with those glasses. Perhaps, I was "Misled" by reading the Lite-On advertising that you could setup a HTPC (with this drive installed) and view 3D playback on *any* 3D HDTV out there.

I read the above thread comments and review that any BD drive should be able to rip 3D blu-ray content off a 3D blu-ray disc, which I believe is correct, since it's just data residing on a disc (i.e filesystem). However, my questions are to do with "playback" i.e. output a 3D picture on a 3D capable HDTV, now I did not see this capability being evaluated in the reviews, presumably a PC needs to be configured like a HTPC with HDMI connected to a 3D HDTV set.

I presume that it would be such that 3D playback via PowerDVD (with the 3D feature) output via HDMI to a 3D HDTV and somebody with those 3D glasses could confirm the 3D playback capability of this drive? Also, there is the HD Audio content supposedly rated higher in throughput at HDMI 1.4 specs which needs to be evaluated.

It's Jan 25, 2011 today, and I am wondering if there is any new firmware released by Lite-On to support LTH disc burning.

Lastly, is there any developer on this forum working on optimizing the firmware for this blu-ray drive? (Is CodeKing still here with us?)

Sorry for all the questions... but I hope someone could educate/correct me if I was misled with the 3D playback capability.
vroom
Posts: 6731
Posted on: 25 Jan 11 20:36
I dont know much about 3D, and unfortunately i dont have a TV that is capable of 3D so i cant test it. Also as far as i can tell the drive should be able to play all the 3D discs, the plextor PX-LB950SA can do that, and it's a liteon clone, so this drive should also be able to do the same.

Liteon, has updated the firmware since then, and it should be fixed by now.

The last question can only be answered by CK, but i dont think that you will see much tweak on the firmware.
_chef_
Posts: 29852
Posted on: 25 Jan 11 22:27
"Playing back 3D" can be done by ANY BD drive.

For standalones the monitor/TV counts.
jamrag
Posts: 5
Posted on: 30 Jan 11 02:17
having the same probs, got 10 LTH coasters, spent months emailing roxio, then liteon, who were very helpful UNTIL.............i asked about burning an AVCHD ISO image that i wanted to burn to bluray, the they stopped replying to me????? but after reading this i gather it must be the disks that are the problem.
_chef_
Posts: 29852
Posted on: 30 Jan 11 20:03
Well, WHY should they give you advice on some ISO that is non-standard?
jamrag
Posts: 5
Posted on: 30 Jan 11 21:38
well.................maybe cos im using their drive to burn and would be nice if they would help their customers with any queries they have, after all its their product and should know if there would be a problem, but since their PLDS doesn't seem to update drivers.........or............if it does, it still don't work with LTH discs, ordered standard bluray discs and will give them a try when they arrive
vroom
Posts: 6731
Posted on: 30 Jan 11 21:43
As far as i know liteon has fixed this problem, with the latest firmware.

Here is a burn from an older version of the firmware, http://club.myce.com/f142/liteon-ihb...ml#post2541821
jamrag
Posts: 5
Posted on: 30 Jan 11 21:49
besides, roxio flags no warning when trying to burn AVCHD video to bluray and when in contact with them, so that shouldnt be the problem, and have to admit roxio have better customer support from when i had creator 5, 2 weeks for a reply, but they are excellent now, tho creator pro 11 does hang badly some times anyone else had That problem?
jamrag
Posts: 5
Posted on: 30 Jan 11 22:21
just used my last LTH disc the other day, tried smartpack continually over a month, no new updates, so? if i have up to date firmware they still aren't burning successfully, ill see what happens when i get my standard discs
Gymno
Posts: 23
Posted on: 31 Jan 11 14:24
try unistall smartpack and redownload it from the official site. Then force an upgrade...for me worked in these way!
jamrag
Posts: 5
Posted on: 04 Feb 11 03:36
problem solved. just bought different type of br discs, burn successful. now my only problem is finding something to play the discs on pc is ok, but PS3 wont touch it
_chef_
Posts: 29852
Posted on: 05 Feb 11 12:52
Start learning to obey the forum rules and not hijacking other threads.
zmmr942
Posts: 214
Posted on: 05 Feb 11 16:05
crossflashing with PX-LB950SA_1.03WIN possible?
vroom
Posts: 6731
Posted on: 05 Feb 11 16:25
Quote:
Originally Posted by zmmr942 View Post
crossflashing with PX-LB950SA_1.03WIN possible?
Good question, but i am not sure what you will gain with this, and also this question should be on this part of the forum.
zmmr942
Posts: 214
Posted on: 06 Feb 11 12:25
by crossflashing this drive i didnt expect anything. for me its a "nice to have feature"
zmmr942
Posts: 214
Posted on: 06 Aug 11 19:57
plextor 950SA bin firmware and eeprom:
http://www.fileuploadx.de/431927

liteon 112 bin firmware and eeprom:
http://www.fileuploadx.de/241454

flashed my ihbs112 to 950sa without problems.

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