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DVD+R/RW Writing performance
The specifications of this drive tell us that it should write DVD±R at 16x and DVD+RW/-RW at 8x/6x. In this part, we will measure the writing times for various types of DVD+R/RW and DVD-R/RW discs. We will also focus on write quality and media compatibility.
Write quality:
Disc Quality Scanning – PI/PO:
DVDs use an error detection and correction system (ECC) which is usually transparent to the end-user, but we can get an idea of the "quality" of a disc by performing Disc Quality Scanning, which shows how many errors the drive is detecting and correcting behind the scenes.
There are two layers or stages of error detection and correction on all DVD media; these are called Parity Inner (PI) and Parity Outer (PO). Data is arranged in ECC blocks containing rows and columns of user data with additional columns of PI error correction and rows of PO error correction.
An ECC block contains 32 KByte of user data with some added control data, scrambled and arranged in 192 rows and 172 columns with an additional 10 columns of PI error correction and 16 rows of PO error correction.
The Parity Inner stage is performed first, and up to 5 bytes in a row can be corrected. Any row with one or more errors is counted as a Parity Inner Error (PIE). Any row with more than 5 errors is considered un-correctable and is counted as a Parity Inner Failure (PIF).
The Parity Outer stage is performed next and will detect and attempt to correct any errors that are still left after the PI stage. Any column that has errors is counted as a Parity Outer Error (POE), and any column that has un-correctable errors is counted as a Parity Outer Failure (POF). If a POF occurs the drive can sometimes re-read the problematic spot and correct the problem; this happens only during normal reading and not during scanning, however.
Disc Quality scanning is influenced by the drive performing the test, and that’s why different drives report different results and even the same drive will report (slightly) different results when scanning the same disc again. Please note that PI/PO and Jitter scans only test some aspects of disc quality and that other important aspects are not revealed.
But what is a good scan? That is a discussion that we don’t think will end soon, as different drives report different amounts of errors, some players are more picky about media than others, and so on. But as a comparison we present you with scans from two pressed DVD discs:

The scan above shows the results from a pressed, Single Layer DVD-Video disc (Goldeneye).

The above scan shows the result from a pressed Double Layer DVD-Video disc (The Green Mile).
The Lite-On DVD burners used in this review report errors as follows:
- PIE per 8 ECC blocks (rows with 1 or more bytes in error)
- PIF per 1 ECC block (rows with 6 or more bytes in error)
We
want to see as low error numbers as possible.
PIE per 8 ECC blocks should be no higher than 280.
PIF per 1 ECC block should be no higher than 4.
Both the pressed DVD-discs above are well within the standards if we ignore the single PIF spike in the DL scan.
If you want to look at the standards for yourself, download the ECMA 267 Standard for DVD-ROM, the ECMA 337 Standard for DVD+R/RW and the ECMA 338 Standard for DVD-R/RW at http://www.ecma-international.org.
Notice that there are other aspects such as disc reflectivity, tracking errors and so on that also will affect the readability of a DVD disc – but for this we do not have measuring equipment available.
Also, another note is that we have scanned the discs at 4X speed, by lowering the speed to 2X (DVD-R/RW)/2.4X (DVD+R/RW) or 1X the amount of reported errors may drop on some discs. We scanned at 4X CLV due to lower speeds taking too much time.
To see if there is a connection between the reported amount of errors and readability of the discs we also include the reading curve from an Optiarc AD-7200A DVD-Writer which by default is able to read DVD±R media at 16x speed. A small speed reduction near the end is still accepted on good discs, but serious reading problems or reading failures is a bad sign.
Jitter:
Jitter is a very complex subject and even more difficult to explain when we start to use optical drives designed for the home market to measure jitter values.
Let’s first look at the DVD specification for pressed DVD discs (in the bold part courtesy of Pioneer Electronics).
“The DVD design target is that when the worst-case disc allowed by the specification, considering the economics of production, is played using the worst-case pickup that can be produced in volume economically, the byte error rate after error correction will still be 1 x 10--20, which is good enough to be acceptable for computer applications.
Since
the above target is for "after error correction," the error
correction capability must be calculated. Considering the trade-off between
error correction capability and the overhead of the added redundancy, the DVD
format was set to one ECC block per 32 KB. This requires a byte error rate
before correction of 1 x 10-2.
In order to achieve good economy on both the part of the discs and the playback
mechanisms. The current disc tilt specification was determined as a result of
the efforts on both sides.
As
will be explained hereafter, it is difficult to make the error rate a
specification of the disc itself. Therefore, a jitter standard is set by the
DVD specifications. A simple calculation based on a normal distribution
requires that the jitter rate be under 15.4%, and experimental results indicate
that jitter must be under 16%, to achieve the required error rate. Since the
disc tilt varies within a revolution, it was decided to adopt the design
concept that jitter must remain within 16% at the instantaneous peak value of
tilt. Since it is actually very difficult to measure the peak value, the
concept became to measure the average jitter at under 15%, and the byte error
rate at under 5 x 10-3.”
What is Jitter?
In basic terms, we could say jitter is a product of “pit and land distortion” In other words, the drive reading the disc has to compensate by means of a “tilt servo” which constantly tries to move and refocus the PUH lens for optimum tracking and tries to compensate for the imperfections of pits and lands on the pressed or recordable media. This is further compounded by the hardware used for recording and playback. Not only is the record and replay process limited by the resolution of the optical pickup, it is also horribly non-linear. In addition, the playback of the pits is subject to non-linear crosstalk from nearby pits in the same track, and also from pits in nearby tracks.
The things that causes jitter divide into three main types.
- Variation in pit length and width.
- Crosstalk from nearby pits in the same track.
- Crosstalk from pits in adjacent tracks.
Variation in pit length and width.
The recorded pits themselves are not perfectly accurate. Anything which causes variations in the sizes of the pits will produce jitter. A prime culprit of this is sudden variations in laser power (laser noise). If laser power varies, then the laser beam itself changes and will vary in intensity and possibly focus. This will cause the pit length and width to also vary and we now have jitter.
Crosstalk from nearby pits in the same track.
If the pits are not totally accurate, then the laser beam spot may overrun a pit and gather data from the adjacent pit in the same track, or if the “land” is to short, then the laser beam spot can be influenced by the adjacent pit and this is called inter-symbol interference. Inter-symbol interference is worse at low recording velocities, because the pits are shorter and closer together. And it is the cause of "deviation" of the pit lengths.
Crosstalk from pits in adjacent tracks.
Crosstalk between pits in adjacent tracks is caused by the laser beam spot being larger than the width of the track. It is a largely random contribution and is worse at lower recorded velocities, because the highest frequency components of the readout signal in the wanted track, with which the crosstalk is competing, are weaker.
Some other factors to consider
There are many aspects to consider when we add Recordable DVD media into the mix. We are now dealing with an organic dye, which is inherently unstable. We must also consider the equipment we are using to measure jitter is aimed at the home market. So we must also take into account variations between drives that we are unable to calibrate for such tests.
Now let’s look at some of the hardware limitations of the drives we are using to measure jitter.
If there is no tilt, then the jitter value includes components from light source noise, circuit noise, disc noise, standard interference between symbols (inter -symbol interference), and some small amount of crosstalk from the neighbouring tracks.
Next
we consider manufacturing variation in the circuitry.
Variation due to the circuitry have noise-like characteristics, and increase
the minimum jitter level, but are thought to have a very small effect on tilt
margin. Factors such as offset in the servo circuit, however, both increase the
jitter level and decrease tilt margin.
How we will measure jitter.
We will be using a Lite-On DVD writer to conduct these tests along with Nero CD-Speed at 4x scanning speed. In the screen shot below we can see a PI/PIF scan including a jitter test (the purple graph in the lower window) we carried out on a single layer DVD+R media.

Now, let’s find a reasonable average jitter level. Experimental results indicate that 8% average value or less is a desirable figure, based on the DVD specification. That does not mean that jitter average values above 8% are bad. In fact, many optical drives will quite happily read recordable DVD media with jitter values of more than 14% average without any problems. Other drives, including standalone DVD players may begin to struggle reading discs with average jitter values above 10%. So there is a fairly wide range of acceptable values. One must test their own playback devices to see what they can cope with.
However, for the purpose of having a basic guideline we can use in our reviews, we present a rating system for average jitter values.
· Less than 8% (average) = Very good
· 8% – 9% (average) = good
· 9% – 12% (average) = average
· Above 12% (average) = poor
Here is an easier explanation on how to read the test results
Maybe this got too technical, and you are wondering what to look for in your Nero DiscSpeed/CD-Speed Quality Scans?
Use this as a guideline for good discs:
· PI (Parity Inner): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 280 PI-8 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 280.
· PIF (Parity Inner Failures): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 4 PIF-1 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 4.
· Jitter: An average jitter value of 8% or less is considered very good. You should not worry too much if the average value is slightly above this figure.
And
as always; lower is better ![]()
DVD+R media compatibility and write quality:
In these tests we will be using a Lite-On iHAS524 with firmware BLC1 and the DH20A3P with firmware XV6D along with Opti Drive Control to measure the disc quality. We will also be using the Optiarc AD-7240S with firmware 1.03 along with Opti Drive Control for our read-back tests.



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Brand: |
Verbatim – Thanks to Verbatim (Europe) for sending us this media. |
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Manufacturer: |
Mitsubishi Chemicals Corporation |
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Code: |
MCC 004 (made in UAE) |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
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Capacity: |
4482MB |
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Certified Speed: |
16x |
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Write Speed: |
16x (CAV) |
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Write Time: |
12m:52s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
0.45 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.00 |
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Jitter average |
9.3% |
An excellent result to start our tests.



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Brand: |
JVC |
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Manufacturer: |
Taiyo Yuden |
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Code: |
YUDEN000T03 (made in Japan) |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
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Capacity: |
4482MB |
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Certified Speed: |
16x |
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Write Speed: |
16x (CAV) |
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Write Time: |
5m:36s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
1.51 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.01 |
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Jitter average |
8.3% |
The result is very good.



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Brand: |
Thats |
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Manufacturer: |
Taiyo Yuden |
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Code: |
YUDEN000T02 (made in Japan) |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
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Capacity: |
4482MB |
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Certified Speed: |
8x |
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Write Speed: |
8x (Z-CLV) |
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Write Time: |
8m:24s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
0.90 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.00 |
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Jitter average |
9.5% |
Another excellent result from this 8x that’s media manufactured by Taiyo Yuden.



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Brand: |
Maxell |
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Manufacturer: |
Ritek |
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Code: |
RITEK F16 (001) (made in Taiwan) |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
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Capacity: |
4482MB |
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Certified Speed: |
16x |
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Write Speed: |
16x (CAV) |
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Write Time: |
12m:47s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
2.37 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.01 |
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Average Jitter: |
11.9% |
The result is good, and the TRT was perfect.



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Brand: |
SONY |
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Manufacturer: |
SONY |
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Code: |
SONY D21 (000) |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
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Capacity: |
4482MB |
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Certified Speed: |
16x |
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Write Speed: |
16x (CAV) |
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Write Time: |
5m:35s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
2.22 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.01 |
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Jitter average |
9.3% |
The result is good.
DVD+RW media compatibility and write quality:
We used the same test procedures as in our DVD+R tests.
Below are our obtained results.



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Brand: |
Verbatim – Thanks to Verbatim Europe for sending us this media. |
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Manufacturer: |
Mitsubishi Chemicals |
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Code: |
MKM A03 (made in Taiwan) |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+RW |
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Capacity: |
4482MB |
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Certified Speed: |
8x |
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Write Speed: |
8x (Z-CLV) |
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Write Time: |
7m:48s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
8.70 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.00 |
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Jitter average |
9.5% |
The result is excellent for a rewritable media.
Summary:
The Liteon iHBS112 writes DVD+R with very good to excellent quality. DVD+RW writing with our tested media was excellent.
Now let’s look at DVD-R/RW performance and quality on the next page…..
40 Comments
It is a new burner and the odd thing is the old Liteon DH-4B1S worked with LTH even though you needed a firmware upgrade. That was before LTH disc where on the market, but now you would expect all new Blu-Ray burners to work with LTH discs. 2x is slow but media is cheap, a lot of people will like LTH becaus of the media price.
You can also view this thread for more.
@Dennis_Olof
Yes it was disappointing that the drive failed to burn the LTH discs, i hope that a new firmware will fix this.
Wrote to the people at Liteon IT Support.
As I write this they informed me that they are working on a new firmware that will support LTH BD-R discs and it will be in the next firmware release. When it will be released I don't know but I guess it will be out soon enough.
So thats it, this drive is the the one to buy. Getting it asap.
Thanks for a great review
The quality scans look horrible in my eyes, or is it just me? I guess, low quality scores and yellow/red peaks are bad.
Hmm ... the discs wobble too much to be able to read them, but focussing a laser on them, and burning a hole in the dye is fine .. seriously? WTF?
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I wouldn't put too much faith in the BD quality scans. It has yet to be shown that any of these drives are actually accurate in this regard.
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Red peaks, okay, shit happens... But no reliable quality scans at all? Sounds not good
im keep trying but it doesnt find anything new...
Anyway i really hope they fixed those bugs,some of them are really "heavy".
Wasted many bd that arent read by my samsung 1500 while Liteon can read it perfectly
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/5835/firmwareg.jpg
as you can see its called "CL0B", i've installed it and lets hope they fixed all
still got that error at the beginning of burning:
"its not possible to use Disk-at-once mode" and stopped
so what did they really fixed? meanwhile ANOTHER bd wasted.
Anyway dont know why Nero gave me that error
Liteon suggest me to that the drive could be fault,but hows that? Since imgburn can make perfect disk
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yup i can only burn at that speed.cant set lower or higher. Meanwhile i tryed that bd (only ~350mb were written) with imgburn and i was able to write something into. Yet still not playable with my bluray player.
Anyway dont know why Nero gave me that error ![]() |
Start with posting a FULL log.
What does "manually" mean? In what way is this different than other burners? What is considered normal?
Which is used?
This is a key feature since 3D capable standalone players are still expensive and some seem proprietary in the manner that 3D content is viewed on their HDTV sets with those glasses. Perhaps, I was "Misled" by reading the Lite-On advertising that you could setup a HTPC (with this drive installed) and view 3D playback on *any* 3D HDTV out there.
I read the above thread comments and review that any BD drive should be able to rip 3D blu-ray content off a 3D blu-ray disc, which I believe is correct, since it's just data residing on a disc (i.e filesystem). However, my questions are to do with "playback" i.e. output a 3D picture on a 3D capable HDTV, now I did not see this capability being evaluated in the reviews, presumably a PC needs to be configured like a HTPC with HDMI connected to a 3D HDTV set.
I presume that it would be such that 3D playback via PowerDVD (with the 3D feature) output via HDMI to a 3D HDTV and somebody with those 3D glasses could confirm the 3D playback capability of this drive? Also, there is the HD Audio content supposedly rated higher in throughput at HDMI 1.4 specs which needs to be evaluated.
It's Jan 25, 2011 today, and I am wondering if there is any new firmware released by Lite-On to support LTH disc burning.
Lastly, is there any developer on this forum working on optimizing the firmware for this blu-ray drive? (Is CodeKing still here with us?)
Sorry for all the questions... but I hope someone could educate/correct me if I was misled with the 3D playback capability.
Liteon, has updated the firmware since then, and it should be fixed by now.
The last question can only be answered by CK, but i dont think that you will see much tweak on the firmware.
For standalones the monitor/TV counts.
Here is a burn from an older version of the firmware, http://club.myce.com/f142/liteon-ihb...ml#post2541821
http://www.fileuploadx.de/431927
liteon 112 bin firmware and eeprom:
http://www.fileuploadx.de/241454
flashed my ihbs112 to 950sa without problems.
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